User talk:Ferien/Archives/2021/April

Alvarito

Personally, I would not have moved the page to a nickname, if only because nicknames in Spanish tend to be almost universal. That means it becomes ambiguous in time. Second, a person well-known now may become much less well-known in time. Fame is fleeting. Such are the repetitions in Spanish nicknames that Alvarito is bound to be used for many others. Likewise "Paco", the traditional term for "Francisco". Would you have a page title "Chalky" for someone whose surname is Miller? Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:21, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

From what I could tell, that was the name that was usually used, and the enwiki move seemed to be uncontroversial. I will check some more... -- Belwine (talk) 12:11, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I've done another search. From what I can tell, the full name is used just as much as Alvarito, if not a little more, so WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply.
I've messaged the person who moved the page on enwiki to find sources that show Alvarito is the common name. --Belwine (talk) 15:44, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

I left a message on the mover's page. It seems to be a WP:COMMONNAME. --Ferien (talk) 19:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Help

Greetings, please can you explain to me how to create an article on wikipedia in general English, I don't know if there is a manual to create an article, since every time I try it sends me to a creation wizard that is very different from wikipedia in Spanish which only allows me to create a draft but then it is deleted. You need help creating a wikipedia article in general English. I am a user of wikipedia in Spanish and I have never had experience in wikipedia in English. LeoPla99 (talk) 14:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

The manual of style can help you with what to do when making your article. To make an article, just go to the page you want to create (https://simple.wiki.x.io/wiki/---, --- being the page you want to create). If you need any more help, let me know. --Belwine (talk) 15:27, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@LeoPla99: It sounds like you might want to create an article on English Wikipedia, not Simple English Wikipedia. You now have a draft: en:Draft:Playones. It has not been deleted, but you did not submit it yet. Before you submit it, you will need to add references. The visual editor is a good way to add references. Once you are ready to submit the article to be approved, add {{subst:submit}}. Then somebody will review it. Lights and freedom (talk) 20:25, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

Meitei mythology vs religion

Dear Belwine, I appreciate your activity on the Meitei topics, especially the efforts at categorizing them. I wrote up further thoughts about yesterday's progress. As I believe that mythology is a subtopic of religion, I don't want to make any changes without discussion. Please see User talk:Haoreima#Mythology vs religion and respond there so we can have a dialogue with User:Haoreima. Cheers! -- Deborahjay (talk) 06:08, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done User talk:Haoreima is on my watchlist so I am aware of changes that happen there. Will sort out the categories later... --Belwine (talk) 11:28, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Picture quality from desktop screen

@Belwine: I have recently uploaded the pictures of 7 dragons. Since I am a mobile user, I don't know whether these pictures look at good resolution in the desktop screens or not! In your screen, is any of the following look like in less resolution? If any, please tell me, I will create a better one! Haoreima (talk) 09:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Collapsing images to make it easier to browse through talk page --Belwine (talk) 16:13, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
File:ꯃꯉꯥꯡ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ ꯱.jpg File:ꯂꯨꯋꯥꯡ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg File:ꯈꯨꯃꯟ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg File:ꯑꯉꯣꯝ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg File:ꯃꯣꯏꯂꯥꯡ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg File:ꯈꯥ ꯉꯥꯟꯄ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg File:ꯁꯂꯥꯡ ꯂꯩꯁꯥꯡꯊꯦꯝ ꯄꯥꯐꯜ.jpg

They all seem pretty good for resolution on desktop. --Belwine (talk) 09:36, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. Haoreima (talk) 14:34, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: What is collapsing? Haoreima (talk) 16:16, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Basically, you can just collapse content to make it easier to scroll past. Those images were taking up a lot of space, so I just collapsed them. If you expand the green box, you can still see the images. --Belwine (talk) 16:18, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Haoreima (talk) 16:20, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons knowledge

Do you have any idea about Wikimedia Commons? Can a picture of my own work which has no EXIF data be uploaded? Will it be nominated for deletion? Haoreima (talk) 16:01, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not really an active Wikimedia Commons user, apologies. You could ask on the c:Commons:Help desk, they might be able to help. --Belwine (talk) 16:06, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Haoreima (talk) 16:11, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I think images can be uploaded without EXIF data. Obviously I may be wrong here, so keep on checking here for an actual response to your question... --Belwine (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

Someoen has replied to your question on Commons now. --Belwine (talk) 20:31, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine:

I saw you told someone there who was asking for sock puppet investigation of my account to the admins. Actually, my, this very current account, is the first to use Wikimedia Commons! Thanks, you remind him about me. -- Haoreima (talk) 03:20, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I found it quite rude that you were being accused of socking the moment you started editing there properly, it's quite bitey behaviour IMO. --Belwine (talk) 09:56, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

You are right. Haoreima (talk) 15:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: As you said about WP:BITE, I think a person says that the files uploaded in Wikimedia can either be deleted or undeleted, this depends on the trusts of the editors and admins. This seems like in middle ages, the lives of the commoners depend on the whims and fancies of the warlords. Please see http://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Files_uploaded_by_Haoreima

What can I do? Can you suggest me? Haoreima (talk) 04:49, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

The files you uploaded are made by you, correct?

The general rule is files uploaded by you can be kept and files not get deleted. If the files have other issues then they can still be deleted. You may want to read c:Commons:Deletion policy. --Belwine (talk) 10:43, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikitionary

Can I perform contributions to Wikitionary? What guidelines can I get? What is it's purpose? Haoreima (talk) 16:23, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Like Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, Wiktionary is an online dictionary. I don't have much experience with Wiktionary, only a little on the Simple English Wiktionary.
There also seems to be a Meitei Wiktionary here, if you are interested in that. --Belwine (talk) 16:33, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Haoreima (talk) 07:02, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Tech News: 2021-14

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Recent changes

• Editors can collapse part of an article so you have to click on it to see it. When you click a link to a section inside collapsed content it will now expand to show the section. The browser will scroll down to the section. Previously such links didn't work unless you manually expanded the content first. [1]

Changes later this week

• The citoid API will use for example 2010-12-XX instead of 2010-12 for dates with a month but no days. This is because 2010-12 could be confused with 2010-2012 instead of December 2010. This is called level 1 instead of level 0 in the Extended Date/Time Format. [2]
• The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 April. It will be on all wikis from 8 April (calendar).

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19:41, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

how do i get my start

HI! I am looking to contribute to simple wiki! I would like to know some starter tips to contribute to the thing. You seem very established on simple wiki and want some tips! Thanks you!

Moem3jasa (talk) 01:45, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Moem3jasa: Hello, welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia.

The welcome message that Tsugaru left on your talk page should be helpful to you.

I find the best way to get started is to fix typos and basic errors in articles. Then, do more advanced work from there. It is best not to make an article as soon as you get here.

If you need any more help, please let me know. --Belwine (talk) 10:39, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

@Moem3jasa: Out of interest, are you related to Joem2masa (talk · contribs) in any way? Your username seems very similar. --Belwine (talk) 16:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi!

Could you do me a favor? I would like the article Pokèmon mini to be translated from en.wiki. I would do it, but I don't know how and I'm not exactly the greatest at writing articles. -Derpdart56 (talk) 15:00, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I will have a try making it soon, maybe later today. :) --Belwine (talk) 15:03, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Derpdart56 (talk) 15:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done Pokémon Mini‎ --Belwine (talk) 18:57, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

User account issue

Is there any way if a user forgets his password and he hadn't put email address during registration? Is the user account need to be compromised? Or, is there any way? `Haoreima (talk) 16:53, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

You can add an email in your preferences here if you forgot during registration. You cannot reset your password if you haven't got an email connected! --Belwine (talk) 16:57, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh thanks! Haoreima (talk) 17:03, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: If the user account is log out in the above situation, then will the account need to be compromised? Haoreima (talk) 13:47, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I'm a little confused about what you are trying to say.

If you reset your password or email, you might have to log back in with your password (if resetting your password, then the previous password, not your new one), so I'd recommend writing your password down somewhere or using something like w:LastPass. --Belwine (talk) 13:50, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. I found this the hard way a few years ago when I forgot the password to my old account and no email was registered, so I was locked out and had to start this one. --IWI (talk) 13:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine and ImprovedWikiImprovement: you are right, IWI. Actually, I was talking about en:User:Goutamkumar Oinam, which has same case as thine, so I created en:User:Goutamkumar Oinam 2, which is like thy current account. I want to have an unblock request for "Goutamkumar Oinam 2". I don't think it's a sock puppet account since it's created only after the loss of access to the foremost account. What suggestions you guys have for me? Haoreima (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

As you still created this account, the admins/checkusers on enwiki may still not want to unblock you. In my opinion, it is probably best for you to use this account and no other accounts for 6 months from when you were blocked on this account (see the standard offer page) then request an unblock. Lots of enwiki admins actually ask people to come here to show that they have worked well whilst blocked on enwiki, so you could also point to your work here in your unblock. --Belwine (talk) 15:54, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Do you mean after six months, the unblock request should be done only from User:Haoreima and not any other account? Haoreima (talk) 16:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: As you're using this account on mniwiki and here, I'd recommend just using Haoreima. It can be done on Goutamkumar Oinam 2, but you do not use that account here or on mniwiki so it would make sense to just use Haoreima for all Wikimedia projects. --Belwine (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Sure, Belwine! I like your suggestion. I will try my best to show all my edits in both mni as well as simple wikis in a better constructive way, so that I may get positive response from the admins in en wiki in future. Thank you for the advice! Haoreima (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Just a note though. Waiting 6 months and editing constructively will not necessarily mean you will be unblocked on enwiki, although it increases your chances of being unblocked. I recommend reading through the standard offer page if you have not already. --Belwine (talk) 16:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine:Reading but at the same time, I have a doubt whether a confirmed blocked sock puppet account will be unblocked or not. Haoreima (talk) 16:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Also, as you have more than 2-3 sockpuppets on enwiki according to the category, I think you will have to be unbanned through community discussion, per w:WP:3X. --Belwine (talk) 16:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Unbanned? Am I banned? I think my former accounts are only blocked but I have no idea about them being banned! Haoreima (talk) 16:28, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

See w:WP:3X. Editors who are confirmed by a CheckUser to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block that is active, for any reason, are effectively site banned by the Wikipedia community. If all the confirmed sockpuppets are yours, then the three strike rule applies: You are effectively site banned by the English Wikipedia community. --Belwine (talk) 16:33, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh then I will digest all the guideline pages you offer. Thanks. Haoreima (talk) 16:37, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello Belwine, I was wondering if you could put a semi-protected plate on Verdis due to recent vandalisms? I am unsure of how to do it as I am still quite new to Simple English Wikipedia. Much appreciated! Acc013 (talk) 09:45, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Acc013: Hi! I have left a note on your talk page already. If many IPs are vandalising the page then you can request semi-protection on the administrators' noticeboard. Only administrators can protect pages. Even if I did put a semi-protection template on there, it would not show up, as the page is not protected, and IPs could still edit the page. I will keep an eye on the page, though, and will request semi-protection if necessary. --Belwine (talk) 09:49, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

The new RFA

You may not have seen the messages in the past about this, but we ask that people don't add RFAs to the RFP page unless they are the nominator or nominee. Not only is it possible that the RFA page was created as a test, but part of what we want to see is that the person can figure out to add it themselves. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:20, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, sorry about that. --Belwine (talk) 10:30, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Yep they shouldn't be voted on until they are placed there by the nominee as they are not considered live until that point and could just be a draft page that they may intend to expand etc. -Djsasso (talk) 11:43, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Zeeshan (actor)

The IP is back at it again. Darubrub (talk) 13:07, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. It has been quick deleted and rfd'd on several occasions, so just asking admins to delete it at WP:AN is the best idea. --Belwine (talk) 13:21, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done already. Darubrub (talk) 13:22, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Now deleted by IWI :D --Belwine (talk) 13:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Yup, gone :) --IWI (talk) 13:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

You might as well close the RfD discussion I opened. Darubrub (talk) 13:25, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Belwine (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Flood flag?

Would you mind maybe requesting the flood flag while you make these category changes? Otherwise new changes is filled up with them at the moment. Just a thought. If you'll be done soon, no problem. Desertborn (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I'll probably be done soon and I am also keeping an eye on recent changes. With those ones where I was removing Category:Settlements in Kerala, that was actually something I was doing with the flood flag a few hours ago, but not all of them went through. --Belwine (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah, I see. No problem. Desertborn (talk) 19:12, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done Sorry about the slight flooding... --Belwine (talk) 19:16, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

ags

please refrain from deleetinmg our helpful and informatory additions — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemama1400 (talk • contribs) 19:24, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

@Joemama1400: Hello. I will continue to remove your "helpful" and "informatory additions" that are actually very offensive to people. You likely do not care about a block, but, just so you know, there are admins on the English Wikipedia who would quickly block you without any warning after adding content like that. It's not acceptable. Also, you don't own articles, so anyone is welcome to remove or adapt your changes. You agree to this when you press that "Publish changes" button. --Belwine (talk) 19:32, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

ags

you dont own the article either sus — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemama1400 (talk • contribs) 19:36, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not discouraging others from editing the article. --Belwine (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Also, please keep your messages in one section. Thanks. --Belwine (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

ags

sorry bruh . i am a changed man — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joemama1400 (talk • contribs) 19:46, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Parratt - British or any??

@Belwine: I want to create an article about an author but... I saw a page en:John Parratt which is about a cricketer. But there's another person John Parratt, who's a famous author. I don't know whether these two persons are same or not. For the author, please see https://www.google.co.in/search?q=inauthor:%22John+Parratt%22&prmd=nimv&sxsrf=ALeKk00oa78AaVngH5yXWj797338c7QrDA:1618073646614&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI2rSHkvTvAhWmzjgGHaPmA0oQ_AUIFigA&biw=360&bih=592&dpr=2

Is Parratt an English surname or British? Could you please clarify me the difference between British people and English people? Haoreima (talk) 16:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Let me quickly explain.. England, Wales and Scotland are all on the island of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is on the island of Ireland. England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all in the United Kingdom (of Great Britain and Northern Ireland). So an English person is technically a British person, but not the other way round.

These two people (John Parratt and John Parratt) are probably not the same person from what I have seen. I don't think a cricketer would be writing about theology. According to this, Parratt came from France to England, so I am assuming it is an English name. --Belwine (talk) 17:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Thanks bro! You helped me a lot! Haoreima (talk) 17:08, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: So, shall I create the article like this: John Parratt (writer) and John Parratt (cricketer)? Haoreima (talk) 17:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

If so, then we need a move in en wiki for the existing article. Haoreima (talk) 17:54, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, if you're creating both then you're going to need to disambiguate. However, there's not an article on the writer on enwiki right now, so there isn't a need to disambiguate there yet. --Belwine (talk) 18:10, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok Haoreima (talk) 03:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Belwine is correct in principle, but it's helpful when we use the same title as enwiki, even if we have only one of the articles here. That's because people might bring over articles that link to one or the other, and those articles could link to the wrong page if the titles don't match.

By the way, please pay attention to indenting your replies. You haven't indented properly with any of your replies in this section. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Since this is an edit in talk page of a user, what is the significance of intending reply? I usually create ping template as well as use 4 twigs during reply. Isn't that enough? BTW, these are through automatic visual editing. I think so.

And lastly,please use ping if you are replying to me in other's talk page. It will ease me to get noticed. Else, I might not known since I don't recheck other's talk page everytime. Haoreima (talk) 12:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Ok. Indenting replies makes following the conversation a lot easier. Basically, just add on a : for each reply. So when I send you a new message, you should reply with : behind it. Then when I reply to that, I should add :: behind it. Then when you reply to that, you should add ::: to your reply, etc.

By the way, when you are on my talk page, you do not need to ping me as I get notifications whenever anyone messages me on my talk page. You can ping other editors, but when you are on someone else's talk page, you do not need to ping the talk page owner. The amount of notifications I get is the same.--Belwine (talk) 12:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure. Haoreima (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Barnstar of diligence

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		Thank you for all your extraordinary efforts to community service in the Wikipedia. It's for all these you deserve a barnstar of diligence. Haoreima (talk) 17:13, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Thank you very much for the barnstar :) Thanks also for the work you do here. --Belwine (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Mail

Hello, Ferien. You have a new email! Please check it at your convenience.
You can take off this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

PotsdamLamb (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Belwine (talk) 18:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Removal of QD warning

Hi! Just wondering why you removed that QD warning from that IP? Best, Milo, Talk, Contribs 19:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

That editor is banned by the WMF, it is best not to warn globally banned users. I'd recommend turning off automatic warnings QD notices for G3 in Twinkle settings. Best, --Belwine (talk) 19:37, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Just a side-note that it wasn't a warning but a notification of the deletion. If you read it, it doesn't actually "warn" at all. --IWI (talk) 19:40, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh I've never come across that policy before - is there a Wikipedia page laying it out that you could link, as I've been away from Wikipedia for a while so things might have changed a little! Also sorry for the wrong phrasing - I am aware it's just a notification, so will also worn with uw-create1 when necessary. Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpaceGuy32 (talk • contribs) 19:42, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

There is the m:WMF Global Ban policy. Editors can revert all WMF-banned editors' edits. No explanation is needed. I have sent an email with the LTA page in it. --Belwine (talk) 19:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Brilliant thanks! Milo, Talk, Contribs 19:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Help me

@Belwine: I need your help now. Suggest me what shall be done at the best to save the articles whose deletion nomination message has been received at my talk page recently. Haoreima (talk) 06:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: you might be able to move them into a user sandbox. However, it is important that the subject of your article claims notability. For example, if I publish a book, it doesn't necessarily mean that an article should be published on it. Also, ensure that the subject of your article passes the general notability guideline. --Belwine (talk) 10:14, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I also see Auntof6 has left some helpful suggestions for you on their talk page. --Belwine (talk) 10:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Thanks for reverting the edit. I saw a stranger doing something without my permission to my talk page. Same as yours recently. How can I revert a person's multiple edits? As you suggest me before, I know a single edit revert by doing undo! What about multiple edits? Haoreima (talk) 12:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You will have to undo multiple times, or use Twinkle. If you are a rollbacker, you can undo all of one person's changes very quickly using rollback. --Belwine (talk) 12:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Something nonsense edits are doing by some uncivilized people in the name of anonymous. I am experiencing nowadays. What shall we do ? I saw you reverted their edits too. Thanks for that! Haoreima (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Just undo all vandalistic edits and warn using Twinkle. Then report to WP:VIP once they continue after a level 4 warning. If someone has edited after the bad edits happened, and didn't notice, then just remove the bad edits manually.

Once you have given all of these out...

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to make helpful changes to Wikipedia. However, some of your changes did not seem to be helpful and have been reverted or removed. If you want to try out changing Wikipedia to learn more about how it works, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Please do not make unhelpful changes to Wikipedia. The changes you made seem to be vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you want to try changing Wikipedia to learn more about how it works, please use the sandbox. Thank you.

Your recent changes are vandalism and are not acceptable on any Wikipedia. Please stop. If you continue vandalizing, you will be blocked from changing pages on Wikipedia.

Your recent changes are vandalism, and this shows that you want to harm Wikipedia. This is your last warning. If you vandalize Wikipedia again, you will be blocked from changing Wikipedia.

report to WP:VIP. Then an administrator will deal with them... --Belwine (talk) 12:55, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh then without you anti-vandalism guys, Wikipedia will almost be a place for those pirates. Mon dieu! Haoreima (talk) 12:59, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Indeed. As Juliancolton (a former administrator here) once said here, if nobody ever wrote another article, Wikipedia would remain a useful and comprehensive resource for years, even decades, to come. Without vandal-fighters, Wikipedia would be useless in a matter of days. It is quite important that vandalism is reverted as quickly as possible... --Belwine (talk) 13:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

If I am not wrong, is it true that in English language Wikipedia, vandalism fighters are mainly British users? Because British pay emphasis on their mother tongue English. And non-English speaking people seldom take care of English wiki. Instead, they do the same to their mother tongue wikis. Am I right? Haoreima (talk) 13:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Yes, mainly, but not always. Whilst it is mostly English-speaking users who fight vandalism on the English Wikipedia, there are lots of editors and admins who are not native English speakers. And here on the Simple English Wikipedia, there are a few admins and editors who are not native English speakers who contribute massively to the project.

Obviously though, it is much easier to contribute to your mother tongue wiki, because you know, it's easier to speak.. English is a complicated language, especially if it is not your native language.

I tried contributing on dewiki the other day, but it is, obviously, much harder to contribute as it is not my native language. So yes, I think you're right mainly, people prefer contributing to the wiki of their own language. --Belwine (talk) 13:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for pinging. But especially and particularly for you, Belwine, I always eagerly wait for your response in anyone's talk page. BTW, sometimes I found the notification of someone mentioning me comes to me almost an hour later or in some rare case, a day later. It really angers me. Do you have any experience like this? Haoreima (talk) 13:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

On mobile, people are facing issues where they cannot see notifications at all. This may be related. See the discussion here. However, on mobile, I always get notifications, hence why I was able to deal with the vandalism we talked about above so quickly. --Belwine (talk) 13:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I can perform both mobile view editing as well as desktop view editing in my same gadget. BTW, in my mobile, I saw a bell🔔 icon at the top right screen. This bell icon becomes a reddish circle whenever a notification came. Usually, I received the notices a few seconds later after the editor's edit. But, sometimes, bugs also happened. The notification of some users in the section "MNI" in my talk page, involving Djsasso, Tsugaru and you, came to my notice 10 hours later. It's very disappointing for me. Haoreima (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Hmm, that's strange. I receive all cross-wiki notifications almost instantly. Sometimes I am contributing on a completely different wiki and in the middle of something I sometimes get a notification for a message or mention on another wiki. --Belwine (talk) 13:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

I live in the outskirts of Imphal. So, since my place is a sub urban area, might it be the reason also? Haoreima (talk) 13:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Probably not. I am in a rural area of the West Midlands region and do not face these issues, although our internet speeds may be different. The notifications should load when you load a wiki page you are editing or reading, if I'm not mistaken. --Belwine (talk) 13:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: In other sense, you seem to be my lucky charm! Did you know why? Every evening internet speed surged down in my area. But as soon as you reply to my query in your talk page, internet speed for my server boosted. What a coincidence! Love you ❤😘. Haoreima (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: are you still facing the issues with notifications with higher internet speeds? --Belwine (talk) 11:57, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes! Oh the delayed notifications for wiki seldom occur. Usually, I received the notifications a few seconds later after the person's edit.

But irrelevant to Wikipedia, I have problem with my server. That's the case for which I call you my lucky charm of a sudden coincidence for internet speed boosting up. Haoreima (talk) 12:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah ok, good that the issue is now fixed. Maybe it is related to internet speed. --Belwine (talk) 12:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2021-15

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Mammoth central Please be bold and help to translation this article! Mammoth central is a paleontological site on the grounds of the Santa Lucía Airport in the state of Mexico, Mexico which contains the remains of at least 200 Columbian mammoths as well as 25 camels and five horses. The site is the world's largest concentration of mammoth remains; the previous was the Mammoth Site of Hot Springs in South Dakota with only 61 individuals. Human tools and carved bones have also been discovered at the site, suggesting that humans utilized the site to trap and kill large mammals. More fossils continue to be found at the site. The dig will end in 2022, when the airport's construction is projected to conclude. (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 01:33, 01:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

From incubator to simple- Translation message delivery

Hello Pal! Please could you remove and reinsert my username from Wikimedia Incubator mni to simple English Wikipedia talk page in the meta wiki for subscription/un subscription section page of the weekly translation program. Actually, I have tried to do so. But my attempt failed, I don't know what happened! Please do it for me. Haoreima (talk) 02:46, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: It is currently on mni.wiki.x.io. Do you still want me to change it to simple.wiki.x.io? --Belwine (talk) 09:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

It is actually currently trying to deliver to mni:User:Haoreima, your user page, hence why it probably is not working. --Belwine (talk) 09:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh once I requested someone almost many days back to do the favour for me. But I don't know any sign of response. It's only today when I saw the translation message delivered to your talk page, I remember that. So, made a mind to request you. Well, if it's changed to from incubator to mni target, it's ok. But can we have two target sites for a single user? Is it against the rules? Haoreima (talk) 10:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: No, it is not against the rules to have two target sites. Shall I fix your mni one, and add your simple talk page? --Belwine (talk) 10:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, bro! That's exactly what I like! Haoreima (talk) 11:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done. Every week you should receive the mass message on your talk page on mni and simple wikis. :) --Belwine (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Haoreima (talk) 11:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Your message to user 177.16.153.138

Blanking of user talk pages is allowed only for registered users, not for IP talk pages. --Auntof6 (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: w:WP:OWNTALK says that both registered and unregistered users can remove content from talk pages. As there is no WP:OWNTALK page here, I am assuming that we follow the English Wikipedia with this? --Belwine (talk) 13:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

We haven't allowed it here because an IP talk page doesn't belong to an individual user. Therefore, the message being removed could have been intended for a different person. Maybe this is worth discussing and clarifying how we should handle it here. --Auntof6 (talk) 14:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I have seen discussions in the past about it, in archives. I have seen some where people think it is best for IP talks not to be blanked, and I think I may have seen some people saying it is ok for IP talks to be blanked - although I am struggling to find the latter again! --Belwine (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Image fixation

Please help me fixing the image in Ningthouja dynasty. Haoreima (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks to SpaceGuy32 for moving the image to the right. --Belwine (talk) 15:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. Could you join the discussion in my talk page with him. Haoreima (talk) 15:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done already. --Belwine (talk) 15:09, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Continuation

Oh Belwine! Actually I and the mni admin told another user not to put English words to mni wiki. At this, there was a strong conflict. So, to gain assurance, I willingly and intentionally asked you (a British user) so that the user mni:User:Luwanglinux may reconcile at me and the admin. Btw, your first talk really impressed me but the 2nd one, 🤣🤣🤣 he will really take advantage of that (your 2nd reply). LOL😂😂😂. Haoreima (talk) 16:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, as I said, it depends on your opinion of course. Obviously, mniwiki is not an English Wikipedia. But in the Wikipedia: namespace, you don't have to be as strict about it, I suppose. I will leave the decision about English up to you three. --Belwine (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Page In Image

• How do I make an image the background of my talkpage? [See here for what I mean) Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 00:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

  @つがる: From what I can tell, you just need to add <div style="width: 810px; margin: 2em auto; background: white; border: 10px solid gray;"
  

  >[[File:Paint background.jpg|810px]]
  

  <div style="position: relative; top: -1625px; margin-bottom: -1625px;"></div>

  to the top of your talk page. File:Paint background.jpg can be changed to another file and I think the sizes can be changed too. --Belwine (talk) 08:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

So I get these results here, but how do I make it scrollable? --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 23:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I think you will need to add <div style="position:relative; padding: 1em 1em 1em 2em; min-height:500px;"> but I have not gone onto desktop to test it out yet. --Ferien (talk) 08:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, it worked well with the paint background (see here) but it did not work at all with the background on your sandbox here. I will have more of a look when I have more time. --Ferien (talk) 10:01, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: So I think you will probably need a more portrait background. Also, the image would not last the whole talk page, it would go down a few topics and then it would stop. --Ferien (talk) 17:41, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Request

Hi, can I please ask for an informal peer review of work done thus far on Rojava and Eastern Kurdistan? GPinkerton (talk) 14:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@GPinkerton: Hi. I think that Eastern Kurdistan is good, there could be a little simplification done e.g. part of Iran inhabited by Kurds -> part of Iran where Kurds live. I think Rojava is good too. Although it looks a little overwhelming at first with all the text, the bits I have read are simple in my opinion. Thanks for linking to the more complicated words and/or explaining them.

By the way, you can't really copy from the English Wikipedia for text (especially for these sorts of things, they are very complicated in language) but you can always copy infoboxes across. You can also copy tables across, as long as you can ensure they are simple. You might want to do that for some of the articles you made. --Belwine (talk) 14:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Great, thanks for looking at them! On the subject of linking unfamiliar words: are users expected to have "learnt" words once they've been linked once already, or must they be linked every time? Both articles can be extended more, but I wanted to be sure things are on the right track for now. Is there anything major at present that would stand in the way of a good article nomination? (Obviously leaving aside that some sections of politics and recent history (esp. E. Kurdistan) are missing thus far, and the geographical information could be fleshed out.) On infoboxes: did you have specific articles in mind? GPinkerton (talk) 15:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

About users learning words, I'm not sure, although I'm assuming yes, I don't think they should be linked every time. These are the GA requriements. I suppose after you've extended a bit more, it could meet them but I am not active at WP:PGA, so you may want to ask another editor about that. About the infoboxes, I just looked at the English Wikipedia version of Rojava to compare, you could add the infobox for that if you wanted, but it is more just in general, not specific articles. --Belwine (talk) 15:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @GPinkerton: Here's a link where we discussed what to link. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

How do I propose a revdel?

As header says. Darubrub (talk) 15:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

You should email an administrator. However, I have already requested for the page to be deleted and/or a revdel via email. --Belwine (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Kate Higgins

I have proof and sources that say years active in 1988 to the present as a voice actress and 1992 as a musician.

http://radmintech.com/culture-shock-arvrzm/kate-higgins-age-d2aee3

http://www.mikronhungaria.hu/pistachio-jrq/d3701a-kate-higgins-age

https://vegaproject.cz/catholic-jobs-rkgzpuh/kate-higgins-age-8f550d

https://feedingfreedom.live/trans-siberian-xdagmu/kate-higgins-age-8f6ade

That's the last and final time I can prove to you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexkrzywicki1 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Those are not reliable sources, so they don't prove anything to me. You have spent months trying to prove Higgins' activity (it all started in December 2020 when you emailed me) to the point where you have literally been changing Fandom and finding the above most random pages on the Internet. First it was "I swear I saw it on the internet", now it is giving me random websites that basically say just as much to me - they don't prove that it's true. Can you find any actual, reliable sources? I'm talking BBC, New York Times, even Daily Mail if you really want, something that remotely proves that she was active from 1988, it is more reliable than the above. --Belwine (talk) 18:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/

It got changed for some reason and now every time I try to look up an actor or movie, it just says nothing but, "ipfs resolve -r, no link named 'whatever actor and movie.html,' and under bafybeihn2f7lhumh4grizksi2fl233cyszqadkn424ptjajfenykpsaiw4." I don't even have a clue what that even means or is, but I hope the people on the internet weren't responsible for it. I know a few examples.

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Tom_Kenny.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Hank_Azaria.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Sean_Astin.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Scott_Menville.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Andrea_Libman.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Stephanie_Morgenstern.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/Emilio_Estevaz.html

https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/The_Breakfast_Club.html

Check at how much this true wiki with true sources have become one day. https://en.wikipedia-on-ipfs.org/wiki/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexkyzywicki1 (talk • contribs) 18:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

That is just a mirror site of enwiki.--Belwine (talk) 20:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Username change

At around midnight UTC on 14 April 2021, I changed my username from Belwine to Ferien, hence why you will not see the "Belwine" username anymore. :) --Ferien (talk) 18:06, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

New username

Hello Ferein! It took me some minutes to get notice that you change your username. In fact, I do also have the same desire. Can my current username be changed into "ꯒꯧꯇꯝꯀꯨꯃꯥꯔ ꯑꯣꯏꯅꯥꯝ", totally free from Latin Roman script? Haoreima (talk) 13:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Hello. Yes, I changed my username from Belwine to Ferien. I actually made the request a month ago, but as someone already registered under that username, I had to wait a month before usurping it. To change your username, make a request at m:SRUC. I don't think anyone is registered under the username ꯒꯧꯇꯝꯀꯨꯃꯥꯔ ꯑꯣꯏꯅꯥꯝ so you can make a request under the normal requests section. --Ferien (talk) 13:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Belwine: Finally, done. But it's pending. How long will it take to get completed? Haoreima (talk) 13:48, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure. Simple username change requests do not take very long, I think a few days? But usurp requests, like mine, take a month, as they need to notify the user whose username you are usurping. --Ferien (talk) 14:19, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

During submission of form for changing username, email was asked. I added one. But personally, my user account has no attachment to any email. Will there be any problem? Haoreima (talk) 08:34, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: If you add an email, it can be used so that if you forget your password, you can reset it. No-one can email you at the moment via the Special:EmailUser feature, so you are only going to get notifications about what you're doing on Wikipedia. --Ferien (talk) 10:47, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh Thanks. Haoreima (talk) 12:05, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Also, I noticed that I could actually see the letters ꯒꯧꯇꯝꯀꯨꯃꯥꯔ ꯑꯣꯏꯅꯥꯝ on my phone, which was quite interesting. I cannot see them on desktop devices. I am not sure if you will be able to rename to that, with the letters being quite hard to see on most devices. Also, your block on enwiki might affect your ability to rename.--Ferien (talk) 14:35, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Do you have any idea what does he mean by this: http://simple.m.wiki.x.io/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/7475048 ? Is this a mockery? Haoreima (talk) 15:00, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: No, they are also blocked on enwiki for sockpuppetry. --Ferien (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

It's not a mockery. I just didn't acknowledge that I am going to get declined until I get can unblocked on en-wiki, in which I am banned from appealing until August (UTRS) or September (ArbCom). Darubrub (Let me know) 16:16, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, @Haoreima: quite a lot of other users come here who are blocked on enwiki. --Ferien (talk) 17:33, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Belwine! I saw many anonymous people performing vandalism by creating unfair named articles. But in en wiki, I had experienced that unregistered users can't create any page. But is this contrasting here? Haoreima (talk) 16:07, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Do you mean this, this and this? Requesting all of them for QD would fill up recent changes, so I have just reported to WP:VIP, and an admin will delete them all. And yes, unregistered users can create articles here. --Ferien (talk) 16:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

OMG, then can I also create article by logging out? Is it a vandalism? Haoreima (talk) 16:13, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

You shouldn't really be editing logged out if you have an account, this could count as abusing multiple accounts. But, yes, I suppose technically you could.

These bad articles have now all been deleted by IWI, by the way :D --Ferien (talk) 16:14, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

Reverting my edit on Danganronpa(franchise)

Do we really need all these specific articles about the games?

I didn't revert it back because I didn't want to start an edit war.

What is your say on this? SoyokoAnis - talk 19:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

@SoyokoAnis: It is just that the article before was specifically about that game. Enwiki also has them so I do not see why we don't need to have them.

Changing it into a full franchise article is like turning an article a little bit like turning an article about a country into an article about the whole continent, in my opinion. We can make another article for the franchise, but I noticed how that article was talking about that game in particular, so I reverted back to the version that just said about that one game.

I hope that makes sense. Best regards, --Ferien (talk) 19:43, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Ah okay, I used the redirect page as a new page for the franchise since it's the name. SoyokoAnis - talk 19:45, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks :) --Ferien (talk) 19:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation Khuman

The page Khuman is a disambiguation here. But in en wiki, it's not. But still there are many articles with the name Khuman in en wiki. Please fix the disambiguation there. Haoreima (talk) 16:50, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I don't think those pages are on enwiki, hence why these is no disambiguation there. --Ferien (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

But see en:Khuman Salai, en:Khuman, en:Khuman Singh, en:Khuman Lampak Main Stadium. Haoreima (talk) 16:55, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Well I am wrong then. For en:Khuman, I'm wondering what would be the best thing to disambiguate it to. --Ferien (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, since I am unable to perform any edits on en wiki, I could not create any Khuman related topics further. So, the best suggestion is to disambiguate every article which mention the word "Khuman" in the en disambiguation. And please make sure to connect the en disambiguation with simple en disambiguation Khuman. Thank you. Haoreima (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I am bad at disambiguations though, so it is probably best for me not to create one there. Although I'm pretty sure with disambiguations there should only be one if something is not the most common thing you're talking about. So for example, w:London is just w:London because when you're talking about London, you are likely going to be talking about London, the capital city. However, you could also be talking about the w:City of London (very centre of London), London in Kiribati, Canada, Serbia, France, Arkansas, California, Indiana, Kentucky, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Texas, West Virginia or Wisconsin! But, we need to think whether when you say London, you are going to think whether you are likely going to talk about a community with 200 people or a city with ~10,000,000.

@Haoreima: So, back to what we were actually talking about, w:Khuman. When you say Khuman, are you generally referring to this or something else? --Ferien (talk) 17:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

When I mention Khuman, I mean Khuman dynasty because personally, I myself is a descendant of the Khuman dynasty. And en:Khuman has no relationship with us. The en:Khuman Lampak Main Stadium is presently a sports stadium but historically, it has relation with the Khuman Emperors. So, many people of my ethnic group will really get confused with the en:Khuman because it mentions about a clan from western India but my very Khuman is of eastern India. Haoreima (talk) 17:17, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Actually, no, I was wrong above, per w:WP:NWFCTM. Let me look at the traffic to these pages... --Ferien (talk) 17:20, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

┌─────────────────────────────────┘
Hmm. I have looked at the traffic to the pages above and the traffic to Khuman Salai is MUCH (up to 6x) higher than the traffic to Khuman. Maybe a disambiguation page is appropriate. --Ferien (talk) 17:24, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, then what I can say is that both Khuman clan (Western Indian) (in en, en:Khuman) and Khuman (eastern Indian) (in en, en:Khuman Salai) are equally popular. Though the page name Khuman (referring to that of West India) was first created without having any knowledge of disambiguation by someone. Now, we must change it. Btw, even simple wiki has a strong testimony. en:Khuman Salai is equivalent to simple:Khuman dynasty. Haoreima (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Wow, I have never known that commoners like us can check viewership for a wiki page though viewership calculation is sometimes published by Wikimedia! BTW, thanks for introducing that to me. Haoreima (talk) 17:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi

Hi it's me. After few days I was busy in Enwiki on 2021 West Bengal Legislative Assembly election editing. I saw you change your username. Good. Could you please tell your original name. Or nickname better. So that I can recognize you in future. With best wishes. DJRC (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@TTP1233: Hello! I used to be called Belwine, but renamed to Ferien because it's a nicer username :D Regards, --Ferien (talk) 16:54, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Good. Could you please inform me since I was busy in enwiki. What is the condition in simple wiki now? How many new users are active now. Could you give me this with bit details.DJRC (talk) 16:57, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@TTP1233: We have a few more active editors, we have a new admin (IWI), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has become a good article and Geisha has been demoted from a very good article to GA. Apart from that, things are about the same as when you left, unless I've forgotten something important. --Ferien (talk) 17:03, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thnx DJRC (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

New Wikipedia

Hello @Ferien: I saw Ancient Greek Wikipedia Incubator, then, Old English Wikipedia and Latin Wikipedia. Like these, I want to develop a new Wikipedia for Ancient Meitei language. It's code is omp. But I have seen many opposition while struggling for creation of Ancient Greek Wikipedia. See,

• http://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ancient_Greek
• http://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Closure_of_Old_English_Wikipedia

What is your suggestion? What shall I do? Haoreima (talk) 18:36, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Ok. I think you should start a new wiki in Incubator, but follow the steps for how to start a new wiki. I don't have experience in starting a new wiki, so maybe you should ask your friend Awangba Mangang for help, as he started the Meitei Wikipedia. Ask him what he thinks about the idea of an Ancient Meitei Wikipedia. --Ferien (talk) 19:08, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Also, please be sure to make sure browsers can have the language's script code/font installed. Sometimes on my browser, I only see boxes. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:26, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@つがる: I think it is ok as the Meitei Wikipedia managed to get its own domain, but I see just boxes too. --Ferien (talk) 20:31, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Yea, it depends on the page you are on, some have text, some have boxes. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:32, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

And it depends on the device too. I noticed that I could see this Meitei text on my phone but not on desktop. --Ferien (talk) 20:49, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@つがる and Ferien: So, will there be opposition during the request to meta wiki for the script font issue? But mni wiki is already approved, like this, I think omp should be allowed too. And since I am blocked in en wiki, I don't know whether I will face obstacles or not during the request. Haoreima (talk) 03:16, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You will likely not receive opposition for the issue with how Meitei text is viewed, this didn't seem to be an issue at the Meitei Wikipedia request. And Awangba Mangang is also blocked on enwiki, but he has managed to open mniwiki. You may want to check m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Ancient Greek 4 for the arguments for and against an ancient language. --Ferien (talk) 08:06, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, I have thoroughly digested the exhaustive epic of the struggle to achieve grc Wikipedia. But at the very beginning of the page, I saw this:

The community needs to develop an active test project; it must remain active until approval (automated statistics, recent changes). It is generally considered active if the analysis lists at least three active, not-grayed-out editors listed in the sections for the previous few months.

I don't know what is meant by not grayed out editors. Do you have any idea about this? Haoreima (talk) 08:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I have no clue. Can you link to the page where it says that so I can take a closer look? --Ferien (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_Ancient_Greek_4

See the first bullet point just after the box in the top of the article. Haoreima (talk) 08:49, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

It's ok. I started an incubator for omp right now. From now onwards, you may visit here whenever you are free. http://incubator.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp/omp&create=Create+page# Haoreima (talk) 09:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, congrats for starting the wiki :D

Good luck. --Ferien (talk) 10:58, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: By the way, I made the image smaller on the main page, so it could fit on the main page... Let me know if you have any issues with this. --Ferien (talk) 11:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

It's nice you contribute to omp. Actually, I think you might have also known that:

An incubator will be approved as a Wikipedia only when:

• it has 1000+ articles (don't worry, I will handle it)
• at least 3 active users performing edits for 3 consecutive months

I request you to be one of the three active users for at least three months. Only 10 edits are needed every month. What is your opinion? Haoreima (talk) 11:24, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Ok, although I do not understand Ancient Meitei, I will try and help with small things here and there :) --Ferien (talk) 11:25, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Haoreima (talk) 11:26, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Glad to hear that it is on the incubator as of now. Like Ferien, I don't understand the language, but I can try and help with technical problems if there are any --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:21, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You also might want to consider inviting your friends on Meitei Wikipedia who understand Old Manipuri, they might be able to help create articles. --Ferien (talk) 20:41, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ferien: Sure, I will invite them. But I must also consult an expert about that incubator vs wiki source issue for an ancient language.

@つがる: Thank you so much for your kindness. But please visit Ferien's talk page in the incubator and please check on the ongoing issue we are discussing. Haoreima (talk) 04:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ferien: I get answers from two users. Please see m:User talk:VIGNERON and incubator:User talk:PastelKos, where I get the privilege to discuss. Besides, I came to know that Ancient Greek as well as Middle English test wiki are still in in incubator but the Greek admin told me that it's likely for ancient languages also to get Wikipedia status (in the same way like normal languages). If you have any knowledge to share with me, I am really fortunate. Haoreima (talk) 10:16, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry @Haoreima: I didn't see this. A wiki in the incubator can be helpful in my opinion. Yeah you have to go through the incubator, but it still exists and can be helpful. --Ferien (talk) 19:53, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Saurabhkishu.in

What is wrong with their username? I think it's just their name. 2601:640:4000:3170:B89F:F50C:6F08:6BFE (talk) 19:28, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

@2601:640:4000:3170:B89F:F50C:6F08:6BFE: I assumed it was a website, but I seem to have assumed wrong. However, their account has only really been used for promotion. --Ferien (talk) 19:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Mail Address

Hello, is your email the same as before? I have it saved in my inbox, and I want to email you something Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:47, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I actually changed it the other day, as I changed my username. Just send me an email via the EmailUser and I will reply :) --Ferien (talk) 20:48, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Your email provider has a message for you from me. Please check your inbox. Thanks --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Ferien (talk) 21:01, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Yep, thanks for the reply! Also for TheWikiWizard, you will need to remove your old username, and replace it with your new username, if you wish to continue to receive issues. Also the new issue will be mailed in around a few hours --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:19, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for reminding me! Let me do this now :) --Ferien (talk) 21:21, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:23, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

I have also managed to change my username for the other newsletters that I was subscribed to. Thanks again for reminding me :D --Ferien (talk) 21:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

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Oh, just so you know I couldn't do it today, so I promise by Sunday it will be done (PST) --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:57, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2021-16

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Palo Alto Baylands Nature Preserve Please be bold and help to translation this article! The Palo Alto Baylands Nature Preserve, known officially as the Baylands Nature Preserve, is the largest tract of undisturbed marshland remaining in the San Francisco Bay. Fifteen miles of multi-use trails provide access to a unique mixture of tidal and fresh water habitats. The preserve encompasses 1,940 acres in both Palo Alto and East Palo Alto, and is owned by the city of Palo Alto, California, United States (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 01:27, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Portals

Hello, how are portals made here I would like to make one for India. I can't see any other portals here either. --Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 16:12, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Hulged: We don't have any portals here. --Ferien (talk) 16:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I saw. It was actually written at User:J.R.Kishor/Wikiproject India#Goals to create the portal for India. So I thought I would like to do so. By the way, thanks for all your help :) --Hulged ⟨talk⟩ 16:25, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

@Hulged: No problem :) --Ferien (talk) 16:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

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• Email to the Wikimedia wikis are handled by groups of Wikimedia editors. These volunteer response teams now use Znuny instead of OTRS. The functions and interface remain the same. The volunteer administrators will give more details about the next steps soon. [3][4]
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Nottingham message-3 times

Today I received the message of connection of the simple wiki article Nottingham Castle with other wiki, three times as I am the creator of the page. And very surprisingly, I don't receive not a single pinging messages. All the pings you did in my username were not known to me until I manually recheck whether you have replied my talks or not. Seriously, I think I will receive those pinging messages tomorrow or day after tomorrow. LOL. 😂😂😂 Haoreima (talk) 17:22, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

lol --Ferien (talk) 17:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Sock tags

Leave sock tagging to the CUs/Admins. Especially the confirmed part. In the case of one I just saw where you switched the confirmed status the two were not confirmed to be the same person which is why they were not marked as confirmed. -Djsasso (talk) 20:26, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, well this category was quite a mess when I saw it, so I was mainly just turning suspected to confirmed because I thought they were confirmed on another page. I just won't touch those then. --Ferien (talk) 20:28, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Btw, if an admin blocks someone as abusing multiple accounts, is it confirmed or suspected? Sometimes it is obvious, with WP:DUCK, but does that make it confirmed? --Ferien (talk) 20:35, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Confirmed requires a CU, though often people will mark it confirmed if it is clearly obvious. We are a bit of a mess on simple with that stuff because everyone tries to tag stuff here. On en.wiki CUs will yell at you if you change the confirmed status (even if you are a CU on another wiki who has confirmed the two accounts... not that I know from experience lol). I believe the template allows for a "blocked" status instead of confirmed for those situations. That being said, often a bunch of us CUs choose to just not tag at all, Bsadowski for example often doesn't tag. I do depending on the situations. If it is a continuing problem with the same editor for example. Basically if the admin/cu doesn't put the tag on then don't tag it cause we might be trying for WP:DENY. -Djsasso (talk) 20:41, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh ok, I just won't put them on in future, I don't think any harm can really be done in that. If it's urgent then someone else can tag it but I can't imagine tagging a sock urgent. And yes, I've noticed before on enwiki they seem to be a lot stricter with the sock tagging. --Ferien (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

Malfunctioning

In mni:ꯋꯤꯀꯤꯄꯦꯗꯤꯌꯥ:WikiProject United Kingdom, something is going wrong. I mean about the page format, the template is going malfunctioned. Please check it. Do you have any idea. In fact, all the contents are just copied from your created page. Haoreima (talk) 15:30, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Y Partly done. I have asked Awangba Mangang to import the collapse templates again as the problem seems to be an issue with them. Btw, I didn't create the idea of a wikiproject for the United Kingdom and "There is a lot to do, anyone can join :)" is not a slogan, so you can remove the translation if you wish. --Ferien (talk) 15:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Haoreima (talk) 15:47, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: To be clear I mean the translation into English, not the translation in Meitei. --Ferien (talk) 15:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Sure, I will remove it. Haoreima (talk) 17:21, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Wrong password

Hello pal! When I entered my password during logging in, it always says that password is wrong in https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:Translate/core-0-mostused?group=core-0-mostused&language=en-gb&filter=%21translated&action=translate Actually I was about to translate the important message words. Do you have any idea to fix the problem? Haoreima (talk) 16:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

I am not actually familiar with translatewiki.net, my apologies. I think I am correct that it is not a Wikimedia project? So you will need to register an account there separate from Wikimedia if you have not already. --Ferien (talk) 16:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh thanks. Actually, I haven't registered. That may be the reason. Haoreima (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Undoing QD for OK kosher.

Dear Ferien,

How do we undo the QD? This subject is notable and has article at English Wikipedia.

Blessings,

Yaakov W. Yaakov Wa. (talk) 19:18, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: Ok, appears to be notable, even though I don't think it claimed notability. I'll remove the QD. Regards, --Ferien (talk) 19:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Ferien,

Appreciate your prompt response!

Blessings,

Yaakov W, Yaakov Wa. (talk) 19:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: Take a look at some of the changes I made to make the article a little better :)

Regards, --Ferien (talk) 19:25, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear Ferien,

Ah, I see the reflist and tag!

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 19:26, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Query and gratitude

Thank you and if I did anything wrong, please tell me. I will try to rectify them. I am planning to create a template. So, I copied the content from Template:Judaism and is modifying it's content in different way for my new template. Is it ok or any vandalism case? Haoreima (talk) 19:53, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: It's not vandalism, I think it should be ok to copy, as you have changed all of it. --Ferien (talk) 19:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the information. Haoreima (talk) 19:57, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

You Got Mail! (insert sounds here)

Hello, Ferien. You have a new email! Please check it at your convenience.
You can take off this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

 Done,  done and  done :) --Ferien (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Admin

Dear Ferien,

Can you please apply for adminship? We need a lot more tools to quickly revert vandals!

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: I don't think I'm ready for adminship yet. And as you can see from the above, I can make quite silly mistakes, as I have only been active for four months, and I don't want to be making those with the admin tools. Best regards, --Ferien (talk) 16:51, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Ferien:,

It seems that you are willing to learn from your mistakes and you recognize when do make them, which is extremely important. Right now there are not enough admins, and even if you do make mistakes, the best way to learn is by making them!

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 16:56, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: Whilst we used to have about 30 administrators (see https://simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators&oldid=1699220#List_of_administrators) we also used to have a lot more active users. And the editor to admin ratio is quite high I believe. I think we have enough admins right now. Best regards, --Ferien (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Yaakov Wa.: Adding a new admin wouldn't provide "more tools to quickly revert vandals". Non-admins can revert as quickly as admins, even without rollback. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Auntof6:,

I guess what I am saying, is that more admins would help us quickly temp block test editors (don't like term vandal. They are just out to test wikipedia and us), and this would save a lot of time and work. How much sense does this make?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 20:33, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: You seem to want editors blocked more quickly than we normally do here. Your recent reports at WP:VIP are for editors who have not been warned enough. They should normally have several warnings, in increasing levels for each new bad edit, before being reported. Also, you don't need to say how long a block should be; the admins will choose an appropriate length of time when they block. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Auntof6:,

The central idea that you are saying is that test editors (We are not talking about regular users here), should go through a procedure of several cautions and only then be blocked. With the block length determined by the blocking admin. Is this correct?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 21:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: Yes. What's the point in blocking an editor for a test edit if they are only going to do one? Just warn so they know for future and if they don't do it again, it's fine. Also, a lot of editors start out just making test edits and edits that violate Wikipedia's guidelines but you can get a constructive editor out of them if you just let them know about the mistake they made. --Ferien (talk) 21:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Ferien:,

Thanks! I believe you are correct that we should not block for only one test edit. However, if there are any more test edits after a warning (or there are numerous test edits), I believe that an editor should be temp blocked for a short period of time. Kind of like a little tap to get them thinking more clearly. How much sense am I making?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 21:11, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

p.s. While we are on the subject of test edits, I personally believe that there should be an "are you sure button" when you press publish. Similarly to how we make an "are you sure" by the thank button. This will save us a whole lot of headaches because when people have to think a little more and not just act on impulse, they tend to make better decisions.

@Yaakov Wa.: You actually press Publish changes twice when you are saving your edits so this is already the case. So yes, we press twice to thank, and press twice to publish. You press Publish changes, then you can press Show preview or Review your changes to double check and then you press Publish changes. --Ferien (talk) 21:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Ferien:,

You are correct that there is an option to look it over. What I am thinking about, and maybe I have to think this over, is making that option mandatory. The rational is that this will help cause editors, to think before they publish. Does this make sense?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 21:18, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Yaakov Wa.: I don't think that is necessary. Vandal edits here are reverted pretty quickly.

I can't imagine a new editor just clicking twice very quickly, they probably do check that they're doing what they want to do. --Ferien (talk) 21:21, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @Ferien:,

It appears that there are two different conversations going on here. One conversation is about test editors (again, I don't like the term vandal). The other conversation is about users of simple wiki in general. In terms of test editors, the conversation about temp blocks apply, whereas the conversation about mandatory "are you sure you want to publish?" button does not apply, because, if they are genuine test editors, they will, as you correctly said, think before publishing. If they are the not-so-well-intentioned type of test editors, they won't care about pushing the button twice.

However, when talking about regular editors here (not about test editors), I believe a mandatory "are you sure you want to publish?" button, would benefit simple wiki a lot, because, many times we can get frustrated and rush to click that publish button. Have you ever pressed that send button in an email and then immediately regretted it? Making this button would alleviate a lot of those issues.

How logical is this idea?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 21:29, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) They already have this in the Chinese Wikipedia, you need to preview your changes before you are allowed to save them --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:42, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @つがる:,

Thanks for letting me know! Apparently, I am not the only one wanting this change.

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 21:44, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

If you'd like this change, you can go to Simple Talk and propose it there. I am not sure if this change is possible though. Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:48, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

And maybe it should be optional as sometimes I would find this feature a little frustrating. e.g. When you are clearing up lots of pages at a time. --Ferien (talk) 05:56, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

RFD Withdrawl

Are you sure they can be withdrawn? I saw last year, we had an RFD, and it was not allowed to be withdrawn (Probably because it was a clear delete, see this RFD for the explanation Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:36, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @つがる:,

Why not? I, as the proposer, was in full agreement.

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 20:40, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's not allowed, I just wanted to make sure it was okay in this case here, as mentioned that RFD example above was a clear delete, so that may be why it was not allow to be withdrawn. Regards, --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:41, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Dear @つがる:,

I think you got it! There are two scenarios when keeping an article for an RfD. Unanimous consensus and opposition. When it is unanimously agreed upon to keep, then the RfD can be closed. If there is any opposition, the RfD must run its course. How logical is this?

Blessings,

Yaakov W.Yaakov Wa. (talk) 20:52, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm just under the impression that usually RFDs should run the full seven days --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

If they withdrew early on then I think it is ok, and slightly different than the rfd you mentioned. See Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2019/Idiot, that was withdrawn after a lot of keep "votes", so it could depend on the way people "vote". --Ferien (talk) 21:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, fair enough. --Tsugaru Let's Talk! :) 🍁 21:09, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

The Martin Boys

I removed your QD request on The Martin Boys because there is an open RFD (which was scheduled to close yesterday), and it seems like it will be deleted. Lights and freedom (talk) 23:32, 23 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, must have been deleted before then, when the rfd was active, as I basically QDed it just as it had been created. --Ferien (talk) 09:47, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Your Belwine username

Hi there. What happened to your Belwine username? RPBG 💬 🖊 00:04, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

I changed my username to Ferien. I like it more, and it has some meaning, I enjoy studying German and it means "holiday". It means more holiday as in school holiday but I don't think Urlaub could have been taken, so... --Ferien (talk) 09:46, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. RPBG 💬 🖊 09:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Archives

As I have many important talks with you in your user talk page, I want them to read even months later. But as I saw you will like this page to get archived after some time, is there any dumping site where you keep all those archives where I can read the previous talks whenever I wish? Haoreima (talk) 02:39, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: My full archive is at /Archives, and the current one is at /Archives/2021. --Ferien (talk) 09:49, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Haoreima (talk) 11:50, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

New template

Hello pal! I am to create a new template about myths. Like this one Template:Jmyth navbox long. It's ready in my sandbox, the Template no. 3. How should I name it (upcoming template)? And is there any rules or special permission I need to create any template I wish? Is there any case of vandalism? Haoreima (talk) 11:52, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I suppose you could call it Template:Meiteimyth navbox long. You don't need any permissions to create a template. And it is never vandalism if you are doing something in good-faith. --Ferien (talk) 12:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Pal! Haoreima (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You might need to make it a little smaller though. --Ferien (talk) 12:35, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

How? Help me. Haoreima (talk) 12:40, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

See Template:Meiteimyth navbox long, I have made the image smaller. @Haoreima: are you happy with it like this? --Ferien (talk) 12:42, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

It's too small. Even in the former Japanese template, the image is not too small like that. If there is no problem, then please make it a little bigger. Haoreima (talk) 12:45, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Ok. By the way, the templates also go on the bottom, so if you could move all the templates you added to the bottom, that'd be great. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 12:54, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

By bottom, do you mean bottom of the page or bottom of the section of the page before any ==XYZ==?? Right! Haoreima (talk) 12:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: It should go before {{stub}}s, categories and DEFAULTSORTS. You might find w:WP:ORDER helpful. --Ferien (talk) 13:03, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Done ✔ Haoreima (talk) 16:10, 24 April 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2021-17

The winner this Translation of the week is en:Metropolitan Waterworks Museum Please be bold and help to translation this article! The Waterworks Museum is a museum in the Che]stnut Hill Waterworks building, originally a high-service pumping station of the Boston Metropolitan Waterworks (Please update the interwiki links on Wikidata of your language version of the article after each week's translation is finished so that all languages are linked to each other.) About · Nominate/Review · Subscribe/Unsubscribe · Global message delivery 03:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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• Templates have parameters that can have specific values. It is possible to suggest values for editors with TemplateData. You can soon see them as a drop-down list in the visual editor. This is to help template users find the right values faster. [9][10][11]

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question

Why is there this Wikipedia? What can you do with it? I was looking at some pages and all of them have little text. Why what?--Lentoster (talk) 22:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lentoster: This Wikipedia is for people who are learning English. It uses simpler words so it is easier to understand. And, because of that, it can also be helpful for native speakers who are trying to learn complex topics, they can be explained simply here. --Ferien (talk) 05:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

thanks Lentoster (talk) 07:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi there. I helped revert the vandalism that happened earlier, and requested the vandal’s pages for QD. I’ve reported them to WP:VIP. Hopefully an administrator will block them. Good day :) RPBG 💬 🖊 16:41, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks :) --Ferien (talk) 16:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. I’m at your service when you need me :) RPBG 💬 🖊 16:44, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Template:Uw-create2 notification

I have changed "experiment" to "test". Android 2113853211 (talk) 10:21, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Experiment is actually in BE 1500, so it is fine to be used. Test is simpler, though. --Ferien (talk) 16:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Closing RFDs

How do you close an RFD? I assume you must be substituting some template. Lights and freedom (talk) 16:28, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: You just use {{subst:archive top}} on the top and {{subst:archive bottom}} on the bottom. (But I used to copy from old RfDs, not realising this...) Then for the result just replace {{in progress}} with {{deleted|reason ~~~~}} or {{kept|reason ~~~~}}. --Ferien (talk) 16:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

That makes sense, but the requests I looked at did not have {{in progress}}. Instead, they had something like

:{{lc|Khalil Molanaei}} · <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2021/Khalil Molanaei|action=edit}} close request]</span>

Lights and freedom (talk) 16:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you are editing the source of the section that says PAGENAME. Above ===PAGENAME=== you should see

<!-- ATTENTION CLOSING ADMINISTRATOR -->

<noinclude>{{in progress}}</noinclude>

<!-- Please change it to either {{deleted|optional reason}} or {{kept|optional reason}}. The archival templates {{subst:archive top}} and {{subst:archive bottom}} are placed at the top and bottom respectively.--> --Ferien (talk) 16:42, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I clicked "edit source". I guess you have to click "close request". Lights and freedom (talk) 16:46, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

That probably works better, I just press edit source. --Ferien (talk) 16:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lights and freedom: RfDs can be closed when the editors involved in it have reached consensus by an administrator, not by substituting a template I believe. RPBG 💬 🖊 16:34, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@RPBG: Still, a subsituted template is used. And whilst administrators usually close RfDs, that RfD was just going to be close as a kept, whether an administrator closed it or not, and also considering that the nominator "voted" keep and there were no delete votes, I just did a non-administrator closure and closed the RfD. --Ferien (talk) 16:36, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Ferien: Ok, thank you for helping me out with that (you know) :) RPBG 💬 🖊 16:38, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @RPBG: However, since you are fairly new, it's better for you to let others do the closures. There's actually a step that Ferien missed, which is partly why we don't usually do non-admin closures here: people who are responsible for the closures (the admins) stay more familiar with everything that needs to be done.. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:45, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I did the closure because the result was so clear.

@Auntof6: Oh, I think I know what I missed: the {{old RfD}} tag... --Ferien (talk) 06:01, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

{[re|Ferien}} Yup! --Auntof6 (talk) 06:06, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

YouTube links as reference

Despite Wikipedia's guidelines not to add YouTube link as reference, this recently (around February) created page en:List of most-viewed Arabic music videos on YouTube has much of those links. Does this mean that it's still ok for some cases to add YouTube links? Haoreima (talk) 04:16, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: See w:WP:YT, there is not a blanket ban on YouTube videos. However, I don't think YouTube videos should be used as references. --Ferien (talk) 06:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Haoreima: In that article, the YouTube links are really more to let the reader go watch the video if they want to. They aren't really references, even though they are coded that way. It would have been better to code it differently to make it clear that they are not references, such as by putting the links as external links in a separate column without <ref> tags.

In general, YouTube videos are not reliable sources because anyone can put up a YouTube video. But it depends on a couple of things. First, if the person or organization who put up the video is reliable, then the video might be considered reliable. Second, sometimes YouTube itself is the authority on something, such as how many views a video has gotten; there isn't anywhere else to get that information. --Auntof6 (talk) 11:45, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: So, since YouTube links are the only sources to know the number of viewers for a particular video, while I am creating another article page about YouTube videos, can I use the links? Haoreima (talk) 14:08, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I can't really answer that unless I know exactly how you're thinking of using them. --Auntof6 (talk) 14:27, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: In fact, I fear getting myself the risk of being blocked by admins for violating wiki rules, but at the same time, I want to create an article about the YouTube most viewed videos, citing YouTube links for the information on the number of viewers for the particular videos. Haoreima (talk) 14:29, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: I don't know of any YouTube link that would tell you how many views a video has gotten. As far as I know, you can only link to the video, then the user has to figure out for themselves how to find the number of views. Besides that, if you say that a video has gotten a certain number of views, that number will go out of date and linking to the video won't support that statement. But, like I said, I'd have to know exactly how you were going to do the links to give a good opinion. --Auntof6 (talk) 14:36, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Exactly like those in the en wiki page I show in the first talk. I mean exactly like the YouTube link cited for Arabic music "Ashq mot" cited in that page. Haoreima (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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@Haoreima: I wouldn't do it like that, for the following reasons:

• If I understand correctly, the reference is supposed to show how many views the video has gotten. If that's what you want, then the reference should be in the views column, not in the video name column.
• The numbers are already out of date, so using the YouTube videos as references wouldn't match the numbers in the article. The numbers in the article don't match the number of views that the videos have now gotten. I don't think you want to have to keep updating the article, so using YouTube links for that isn't a good idea. Instead, maybe there is some other source you could use that states what the view counts were at a certain time.

--Auntof6 (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Thank you for your suggestion. Haoreima (talk) 14:52, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Auntof6 for being a helpful talk page stalker whilst I was away :) --Ferien (talk) 18:08, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Removing a redirect

Do you have any ideas about how to remove a redirect from a page? Haoreima (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Edit the source and just remove "#REDIRECT PAGE". --Ferien (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean source editing (opposite of visual editing) in mobile view/mobile version or desktop version? Haoreima (talk) 15:46, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: Yes. It's a bit more complicated in visual editor in my opinion, you have to go into settings and then remove the redirect there. It's way easier just removing the redirect in source. --Ferien (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh I see that! Now, how shall I delete the removed redirected page? Haoreima (talk) 17:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

@Haoreima: You should probably replace the previous redirect with some content, or another redirect. Or if the redirect that was already there does not apply then maybe you can request it for deletion using {{qd}}, but please check the Wikipedia:Deletion policy. --Ferien (talk) 18:07, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

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PotsdamLamb (talk) 14:23, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

Checking now, will reply soon. --Ferien (talk) 14:37, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done. --Ferien (talk) 14:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)