Hi all, today I am here to nominate Lee Vilenski for adminship. Lee has been active here for a while now and is actively involved in several areas of the project. Notably, he participates in PGA and PVGA discussions, and has worked to upgrade one good and one very good article. I think this is exactly the area where we need more admin participation (and participation in general) right now. He is also involved in deletion discussions, and has clearly shown competence and understanding to be an admin. He is an admin on enwiki and is also familiar with the tools, that is definitely going to make his job easier. To sum up, I think the project will benefit from having someone who is closely involved with content like Lee, and he clearly has the necessary qualities to be a good admin. Thank you for your time.--BRP ever05:10, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Support Brilliant candidate for the role. Experience with both existing admin tools and featured content creation will certainly bring welcome new skills into the admin team. Thank you for volunteering! --Ferien (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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I am fairly confident that is not your intent, but I don't know what parser you use with that JSON so I'm not sure how to stop the template from being transcluded there. — 76.212.74.243 (talk) 22:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @76.212.74.243, Many thanks for letting me know I had no idea it showed there - I've blanked the page for now, Thanks again, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi! I still want to ask, on what grounds did you undo my edits in articles that literally contained false information, which directly violates the rules of the project? Skerpsov (talk) 14:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello @Skerpsov, You re-added vandalism here[1] so I therefore believed you were a sock of the IP, If you don't want to be reverted then I would respectfully suggest you don't re-add vandalism that block-evading IPs are adding, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:07, 30 June 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Just curious, have you thought of returning to WM Commons? It has been over a year since your indef block there. I apologise if this question upset you. A1Cafel (talk) 09:28, 2 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
In short no - They weren't interested in unblocking me in August and I highly doubt anything's changed since to be honest. And plus they'd no doubt use the block on here to say "he's clearly not learned his lesson" or some bs excuse, so yeah unless they unblock me as time served then my block expiration date there won't be changing anytime in my lifetime unfortunately,
I of course regret what I said and that I'm the only person responsible for my words 110% but in some ways I also feel resentful at how I was treated or how it was handled - It just felt like "Oh he swore me, indef for him" and even 2 months later that didn't change despite me apologising and saying I would do things differently,
But yeah no I'm happy without Commons to be honest, Of course I'd love to edit there again but too much has been said and done and that bridge has unfortunately been burnt,
Hi @Fr33kman, I didn't know if this was associated with an LTA so thought it was best it was started from fresh, I know a few TV shows attract LTAs but maybe this IP is fine and I guess any future others, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hello there, about 12 days ago “IceTre” was nominated for deletion and in the most recent reply to you on the “IceTre” deletion talk page I gave absolute without a doubt proof of the subject’s notability (I was able to prove that the subject has released two or more albums on a major record label / or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable.)
There has been no response from anyone in 5 days so I am asking for you to please grant acceptance of the subject’s wiki.
Since it’s been 5 days after the 17th when a decision was to be made I fear that it may become forgotten about. I do not wish to burden you with this. If you can close the request out and grant its acceptance to stay then I can continue to work on the subjects wiki and add in more sources to keep the page in healthy and proper condition and you can further continue your work here on Wiki and outside of it as well. Please let me know if that is agreeable. Thank youStephenbestk28 (talk) 03:37, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I wasn't sure if they were the admin or not. It's the communities duty to feel that way and it's my duty to convince them otherwise. That's how this works but if my evidence / proof is not being taken into consideration or being ignored then that shows a clear bias and unfair practices.
Question, did you look at the evidence provided or did you simply comment without looking into the evidence? The subject released two or more albums on a major record label under Guideline #5 in the Music Notability Guideline. I proved that the subject did release music on a major record label thus the evidence was provided.
In court you have to show up to testify otherwise your statements are nullified. They made the statements for it to be deleted but then when I provided evidence on why it's notable then I hear nothing back which renders their statements null.
If someone wants me to provide evidence and I provide evidence and they don't say anything about it then that mean I sufficiently provided evidence to a degree where it was suitable enough for no response.
Ironically speaking, none of those people who nominated it to be deleted could actually prove that the subject isn't notable: they simply raised their concerns but they didn't say anything that wasn't able to be provided with evidence. Stephenbestk28 (talk) 04:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
And also in order to make a solid case there has to be sufficient evidence to back up all claims so skimming over my paragraphs of information falls under unfair practices as well. There has to be impartial fairness behind the process which includes taking my evidence into consideration and weighing out both options.
I was able to prove notability for the subject and as that stands there should be no other hiccups based on that fact alone.
The community said the subject was guilty and my evidence proves the subject is innocent so if that's the case then how come this doesn't feel like a fair trial? I'm just simply using that example as a point reference. Stephenbestk28 (talk) 04:21, 23 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
In court they are allowed to poll the jury and find out why they voted guilty or not guilty. You asked for proof of notability, i gave it to you, and you still vote no so this seemingly is no longer about whether the subject is notable or not but it's about self preservation (aka sticking to your guns) and that you simply "don't like the wiki". This is no longer about notability. You are allowing yourself to stay unconvinced and that is okay but for the future do not ask for evidence only to deny it's existence when it's presented to you. There is no reason to be on a jury just to disrupt the process if nothing can be provided to change your mind. Stephenbestk28 (talk) 04:40, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
You haven't provided any evidence that the subject meets NMUSIC and GNG - All's you've done is given your opinion and not much else. Either way I'm closing this because I have no interest in further discussing it,
I will say this - I would invite you to check out the following articles Pyramids FC TV, MIUI, 2002 FIFA World Cup qualification (OFC), and COSAFA Cup - All 4 articles ended up at RFD and all 4 were obviously kept because they were notable, I expanded and sourced those articles too - In short if the subject is notable It's a keep, if it's not notable then it gets deleted,
So you can peddle along with this "I don't like the wiki" as much as you like - I don't care for the subject, I care about article inclusion and keeping articles that are notable. Have a great day. –Davey2010Talk11:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi, Yes that is correct, If you're adding cast members to a article than all's you need to do is a find a news article that says they were in that show, unfortunately IMDb cannot be used (see en:WP:Citing IMDb), Hope this helps, Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk11:28, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Since "Behind The Voice Actors" is a fan-made website, it cannot be used as a citation for certain cast members. Thanks for the support and have a nice day, Davey. 5.180.207.80 (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Wait, there's something else I need to tell you. Profanity, sexual themes, nudity, and all other things are not allowed in any Wikipedia, especially the Simple English Wikipedia (this one). If somebody will put any of these in a Wikipedia page (for example Oijfeaoijgeagea), his/her change will be reverted and he/she will probably get blocked. For example, Oijfeaoijgeagea got blocked indefinitely after doing some disruptive editing.
I don't know any news articles that can be used as a citation for some cast members. If there's one I know, I will return. If there aren't any news articles I know, then there is no desire to return. Thanks and have a nice day. 93.33.22.207 (talk) 12:19, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Here's the final word: if any profanity, sexual themes, nudity, etc. is found in a Wikipedia page, it will be deleted and somebody might block the man who inserted one of those things I've mentioned earlier. Bye! 93.33.22.207 (talk) 12:35, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
This is my talkpage and as such I get the final word here and it's this; go read en:WP:NOTCENSORED, images showing the human anatomy are allowed and are fine, If you have a problem with it then go to WP:Simple talk and propose changes, Until then images stay as are. –Davey2010Talk14:14, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi, Davey. I noticed that you did a change to Ice Age (2002 movie), and here's what you did: you copied and pasted the cast list of that movie from the English Wikipedia. In addition, there are some voice actors that were not mentioned in the English Wikipedia:
All of these voice actors are credited in the ending credits of that movie. This is all I can tell you for now. Thank you so much and I hope you have a nice day. 5.180.207.80 (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Good job! In addition, you said: "Appreciate this isn't the normal way of citing however bar end credits there's nothing else confirming these and obviously I cannot link to said credits as they're copyright violations anyway" Have a nice day! 93.40.82.17 (talk) 06:10, 26 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Unfortunately I can't sorry - I would kindly suggest you don't trout people or leave anyone any messages there (that includes saying hi to everyone everywhere) - Once your block expires in a month focus on articles and improving the encyclopedia, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk19:13, 27 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hello there I just wanted to say that the edits that were provided were up to date edits. McClanahan died in 2010 not 2024. Details were provided. For Scorsese he directs more than just movies if you take a look at his filmography. The information on the rappers are currently up to date also. The information was outdated. If you have any concerns leave a message on my talk page. Thank you 108.2.126.127 (talk) 14:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi 108.2.126.127 (talk, Please accept my sincere apologies, I saw your edits to the Busta Rhymes article and compared it with the English Wikipedia version and one addition wasn't in the infofox there so I assumed you were a vandal, Having gone through your contributions I can see you are in fact removing vandalism not introducing it so please accept my sincere apologies, I've removed the warning from your page too, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk15:02, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm not mad ? I explained why I reverted you in the very first reply and then you're asking "But why did you revert the contributions?" .... I don't know how else I'm supposed to reply to that ?, Anyway have a great day 108, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk18:42, 30 July 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Cactusisme, Thank you for reverting the vandalism it's greatly appreciated, Do you have diffs of me saying this because I don't recall ever saying this ? (I remember copypasting a previous editors edit summary about pov pushing),
To answer the question - "Vandalism (per Davey?)" should generally be avoided as it implies you don't actually know if it is vandalism or not, I always compare with the English Wikipedia - if the edit isn't there then I'll revert but sometimes you also need to check the page history at En in case the editor has sneakily added the same edit there too,
@Cactusisme That wasn't per anyone - That was an automatic edit summary provided by RW and if you look carefully you'll see it says "Vandalism (from contribs)" not "Vandalism (per contribs)" .... From and Per are two different things entirely...... –Davey2010Talk11:08, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hello. I came here because I was expanding the Simple Wiki's Hailey's On It!, and when I was done, a Captcha came on, and I answered it. Later it said that it was denied. I went out and looked at the abuse filter log and the description was LTA 351. I don't know what that means, and I don't get why they wouldn't let me edit the page. Can you make the edit for me? Thanks-- 2601:402:4402:61F0:E2DA:D876:6031:1D80 (talk) 19:42, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @2601:402:4402:61F0:E2DA:D876:6031:1D80, LTA 351 is hidden so I unfortunately don't know what you did or said that resulted in your edit being prevented, You might want to consider creating an account as once you reach certain thresholds you won't keep being prevented from creating articles :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:32, 4 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Two new parser functions will be available this week: {{#dir}} and {{#bcp47}}. These will reduce the need for Template:Dir and Template:BCP47 on Commons and allow us to drop 100 million rows from the "what links here" database. Editors at any wiki that use these templates, can help by replacing the templates with these new functions. The templates at Commons will be updated during the Hackathon at Wikimania. [2][3]
Communities can request the activation of the visual editor on entire namespaces where discussions sometimes happen (for instance Wikipedia: or Wikisource: namespaces) if they understand the known limitations. For discussions, users can already use DiscussionTools in these namespaces.
The tracking category "Pages using Timeline" has been renamed to "Pages using the EasyTimeline extension" in TranslateWiki. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match.
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The new parser is being rolled out on Wikivoyage wikis over the next few months. The English Wikivoyage and Hebrew Wikivoyage were switched to Parsoid last week. For more information, see Parsoid/Parser Unification.
The latest quarterly Language and Internationalization newsletter is available. It includes: New design previews for Translatable pages; Updates about MinT for Wiki Readers; the release of Translation dumps; and more.
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Hi. A few minutes ago, a new user named "Annespankme" joined the Simple Wiki. The name is inappropriate, and since I'm not autoconfirmed yet on the Meta, I can't report. Can you? Magnolioideae (talk) 16:21, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi, I'll keep an eye but present they've not edited, I don't personally believe it's offensive enough for a block but you're more than welcome to report at WP:VIP, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk16:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi. I don't know why I'm asking, but by any chance do you know how to get Vandal Warner? I downloaded it, and it's not showing up in my toolbar. Magnolioideae (talk) 18:26, 6 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Stewards can now specify if global blocks should prevent account creation. Before this change by the Trust and Safety Product Team, all global blocks would prevent account creation. This will allow stewards to reduce the unintended side-effects of global blocks on IP addresses.
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The reason I edited the 'list of Wikipedias' article and copied extra information from the English Wikipedia's entry on that article about that topic while replacing some information on this Wikipedia edition's entry on that article with that one's, is to make this article's information more consistent with that one, while using simple Basic English. The first time I did that, @Kk.urban: reverted my edit the following day and told me that edit was too complex, so I made a similar edit six months later while simplifying certain sentences to the best of my abilities. Seeing how you also reverted my edits to that article four days and a half later, a few days ago, and told me the previous revision was simpler, why do you think that, and what do you think I can do to make the information I copy from the English Wikipedia's entry on that article simpler? PK2 (talk) 10:50, 13 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
The sentences/paragraphs, images used, tables .... everything was imho over complicated and complex, that all being said I'm not exactly thrilled about List of Wikipedias#Wikipedia edition codes existing either however that's been there for over 10 years seemingly without issue,
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Hello there someone keeps adding that Tom Cruise is 5'9" when in reality he isn't 5'9" he's 5'7", I either keep removing it or changing it to 5'7" 159.14.184.11 (talk) 14:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
That person is notable, please see en:Hassan Yazdani, the article here just needs updating,
Also @Alon9393 in case you weren't aware the article won't be deleted for another 7 days yet so you're more than welcome to continue sourcing it and or heading to the RFD and stating why it should be kept, Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Editors who want to re-use references but with different details such as page numbers, will be able to do so by the end of 2024, using a new sub-referencing feature. You can read more about the project and how to test the prototype.
Editors using tracking categories to identify which pages use specific extensions may notice that six of the categories have been renamed to make them more easily understood and consistent. These categories are automatically added to pages that use specialized MediaWiki extensions. The affected names are for: DynamicPageList, Kartographer, Phonos, RSS, Score, WikiHiero. Wikis that have created the category locally should rename their local creation to match. Thanks to Pppery for these improvements. [6]
Technical volunteers who edit modules and want to get a list of the categories used on a page, can now do so using the categories property of mw.title objects. This enables wikis to configure workflows such as category-specific edit notices. Thanks to SD001 for these improvements. [7][8]
Bugs status
Your help is needed to check if any pages need to be moved or deleted. A maintenance script was run to clean up unreachable pages (due to Unicode issues or introduction of new namespaces/namespace aliases). The script tried to find appropriate names for the pages (e.g. by following the Unicode changes or by moving pages whose titles on Wikipedia start with Talk:WP: so that their titles start with Wikipedia talk:), but it may have failed for some pages, and moved them to Special:PrefixIndex/T195546/ instead. Your community should check if any pages are listed there, and move them to the correct titles, or delete them if they are no longer needed. A full log (including pages for which appropriate names could be found) is available in phab:P67388.
Editors who volunteer as mentors to newcomers on their wiki are once again able to access lists of potential mentees who they can connect with to offer help and guidance. This functionality was restored thanks to a bug fix. Thank you to Mbch331 for filing the bug report. You can read about that, and 18 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
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The application deadline for the Product & Technology Advisory Council (PTAC) has been extended to September 16. Members will help by providing advice to Foundation Product and Technology leadership on short and long term plans, on complex strategic problems, and help to get feedback from more contributors and technical communities. Selected members should expect to spend roughly 5 hours per month for the Council, during the one year pilot. Please consider applying, and spread the word to volunteers you think would make a positive contribution to the committee.
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The latest Wikimedia Foundation Bulletin is available, and includes some highlights from Wikimania, an upcoming Language community meeting, and other news from the movement.
Cactusisme Sorry, I thought you had the scripts installed but have just seen you've added Ohconfucius instead which is why they don't work - I've updated User:Davey2010/script which now tells you how to install them, Sorry for removing your post I was confused as how you wanted them installed as assumed you already did have them installed but I see not so apologies for that,
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Administrators can now test the temporary accounts feature on test2wiki. This was done to allow cross-wiki testing of temporary accounts, for when temporary accounts switch between projects. The feature was enabled on testwiki a few weeks ago. No further temporary account deployments are scheduled yet. Temporary Accounts is a project to create a new type of user account that replaces IP addresses of unregistered editors which are no longer made public. Please share your opinions and questions on the project talk page.
Later this week, editors at wikis that use FlaggedRevs (also known as "Pending Changes") may notice that the indicators at the top of articles have changed. This change makes the system more consistent with the rest of the MediaWiki interface. [9]
Bugs status
Editors who use the 2010 wikitext editor, and use the Character Insert buttons, will no longer experience problems with the buttons adding content into the edit-summary instead of the edit-window. You can read more about that, and 26 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
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Please review and vote on Focus Areas, which are groups of wishes that share a problem. Focus Areas were created for the newly reopened Community Wishlist, which is now open year-round for submissions. The first batch of focus areas are specific to moderator workflows, around welcoming newcomers, minimizing repetitive tasks, and prioritizing tasks. Once volunteers have reviewed and voted on focus areas, the Foundation will then review and select focus areas for prioritization.
Do you have a project and are willing to provide a three (3) month mentorship for an intern? Outreachy is a twice a year program for people to participate in a paid internship that will start in December 2024 and end in early March 2025, and they need mentors and projects to work on. Projects can be focused on coding or non-coding (design, documentation, translation, research). See the Outreachy page for more details, and a list of past projects since 2013.
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If you're curious about the product and technology improvements made by the Wikimedia Foundation last year, read this recent highlights summary on Diff.
To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out:
Hi @2607:F140:6000:802A:543D:8FF4:E1DA:2530, No worries, Thank you for nominating it for deletion which in turn made me spot the rather embarrassing error I made, Had it not been for you I wouldn't have been none the wiser so thank you for bringing it to my attention! :), Happy editing, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk22:15, 26 August 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi there, thanks for removing the short description templates. How many pages do you have left to go through? It's flooding the recent changes and I thought I'd give you the flood flag if you still have more left. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page13:05, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Fehufanga, Oops sorry I had forgot about that - There's a time limit so although I'm done WPC is still sending the edits, I'd say there's anywhere between 30-60 articles left to save, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:11, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Editors and volunteer developers interested in data visualisation can now test the new software for charts. Its early version is available on beta Commons and beta Wikipedia. This is an important milestone before making charts available on regular wikis. You can read more about this project update and help to test the charts.
Feature news
Editors who use the Special:UnusedTemplates page can now filter out pages which are expected to be there permanently, such as sandboxes, test-cases, and templates that are always substituted. Editors can add the new magic word __EXPECTUNUSEDTEMPLATE__ to a template page to hide it from the listing. Thanks to Sophivorus and DannyS712 for these improvements. [10]
Editors who use the New Topic tool on discussion pages, will now be reminded to add a section header, which should help reduce the quantity of newcomers who add sections without a header. You can read more about that, and 28 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Last week, some Toolforge tools had occasional connection problems. The cause is still being investigated, but the problems have been resolved for now. [11]
Translation administrators at multilingual wikis, when editing multiple translation units, can now easily mark which changes require updates to the translation. This is possible with the new dropdown menu.
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A new draft text of a policy discussing the use of Wikimedia's APIs has been published on Meta-Wiki. The draft text does not reflect a change in policy around the APIs; instead, it is an attempt to codify existing API rules. Comments, questions, and suggestions are welcome on the proposed update’s talk page until September 13 or until those discussions have concluded.
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To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out:
Hi @Cyber.Eyes.2005, Personally I would say no they're fine but maybe there's something here I'm missing or unaware of so agreeing with @Gotitbro it would be best to seek opinions on the Simple talkpage from people who know more about this subject than I do, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk15:43, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you @Gotitbro for going to the talkpage, most editors would have a slanging match here and not do much else so I certainly appreciate you going to the talkpage, getting the ball rolling and trying to find a resolution so thank you again for doing that, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk15:55, 5 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Feature news
Starting this week, the standard syntax highlighter will receive new colors that make them compatible in dark mode. This is the first of many changes to come as part of a major upgrade to syntax highlighting. You can learn more about what's to come on the help page. [13][14]
Editors of wikis using Wikidata will now be notified of only relevant Wikidata changes in their watchlist. This is because the Lua functions entity:getSitelink() and mw.wikibase.getSitelink(qid) will have their logic unified for tracking different aspects of sitelinks to reduce junk notifications from inconsistent sitelinks tracking. [15]
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Users of all Wikis will have access to Wikimedia sites as read-only for a few minutes on September 25, starting at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [16]
Contributors of 11 Wikipedias, including English will have a new MOS namespace added to their Wikipedias. This improvement ensures that links beginning with MOS: (usually shortcuts to the Manual of Style) are not broken by Mooré Wikipedia (language code mos). [17]
I don't think we should have user-specific templates in the regular template space. If you still want these, could they be moved to your userspace? -- Auntof6 (talk) 08:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Auntof6, Many thanks for making me aware of these, Personally I don't see a problem with a few templates being in templatespace however I do agree as it stood it all looked messy (probably didn't need to create the doc pages tbh) but anyway I've moved them all over for now, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk12:36, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hello. I was wondering if my anger later in the Simple Talk thread "Anachronism" would ruin or spoil my track record and make administrators deny me userrights.
Warm Regards, - 🪐●Haumeon19:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Haumeon, I've said a lot worse and I still have userrights so you're fine! :), You're only judged on the relevent edits you make (so if you're applying for rollback you'll be judged on undo edits etc etc), You're entitled to your opinions and there's nothing wrong with a healthy debate now and again, You've not said anything bad in my book so you have nothing to worry about, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk19:15, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
That's comforting. Thanks! Have a great day!
Also, while we are talking about rollback, do you think my articles are good enough quality for patroller if I make enough of them? 🪐●Haumeon19:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Haumeon I would say they're okay, Regarding Contact binary star thought; Remember we use Related pages here not See also, Also you need to remove Ivanova2013 from the reference section as this reference isn't used, Thanks and have a great day too, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk19:56, 11 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Improvements and Maintenance
Editors interested in templates can help by reading the latest Wishlist focus area, Template recall and discovery, and share your feedback on the talkpage. This input helps the Community Tech team to decide the right technical approach to build. Everyone is also encouraged to continue adding new wishes.
The new automated Special:NamespaceInfo page helps editors understand which namespaces exist on each wiki, and some details about how they are configured. Thanks to DannyS712 for these improvements. [18]
References Check is a feature that encourages editors to add a citation when they add a new paragraph to a Wikipedia article. For a short time, the corresponding tag "Edit Check (references) activated" was erroneously being applied to some edits outside of the main namespace. This has been fixed. [19]
It is now possible for a wiki community to change the order in which a page’s categories are displayed on their wiki. By default, categories are displayed in the order they appear in the wikitext. Now, wikis with a consensus to do so can request a configuration change to display them in alphabetical order. [20]
Tool authors can now access ToolsDB's public databases from both Quarry and Superset. Those databases have always been accessible to every Toolforge user, but they are now more broadly accessible, as Quarry can be accessed by anyone with a Wikimedia account. In addition, Quarry's internal database can now be queried from Quarry itself. This database contains information about all queries that are being run and starred by users in Quarry. This information was already public through the web interface, but you can now query it using SQL. You can read more about that, and 20 other community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week.
Any pages or tools that still use the very old CSS classes mw-message-box need to be updated. These old classes will be removed next week or soon afterwards. Editors can use a global-search to determine what needs to be changed. It is possible to use the newer cdx-message group of classes as a replacement (see the relevant Codex documentation, and an example update), but using locally defined onwiki classes would be best. [21]
Technical project updates
Next week, all Wikimedia wikis will be read-only for a few minutes. This will start on September 25 at 15:00 UTC. This is a planned datacenter switchover for maintenance purposes. This maintenance process also targets other services. The previous switchover took 3 minutes, and the Site Reliability Engineering teams use many tools to make sure that this essential maintenance work happens as quickly as possible. [22]
Tech in depth
The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes details about: research about hook handlers to help simplify development, research about performance improvements, work to improve the REST API for end-users, and more.
To learn more about the technology behind the Wikimedia projects, you can now watch sessions from the technology track at Wikimania 2024 on Commons. This week, check out:
Hackathon Showcase (45 mins) - 19 short presentations by some of the Hackathon participants, describing some of the projects they worked on, such as automated testing of maintenance scripts, a video-cutting command line tool, and interface improvements for various tools. There are more details and links available in the Phabricator task.
Co-Creating a Sustainable Future for the Toolforge Ecosystem (40 mins) - a roundtable discussion for tool-maintainers, users, and supporters of Toolforge about how to make the platform sustainable and how to evaluate the tools available there.
Hi @Asteradeae, Keeps/Deletes should always be closed by admins however regarding the closure of RFDs where the admin has forgotten; Truth be told I don't know, @Ferien says it's fine, Other admins say it isn't,
The exact same is applied with warning vandals, some admins block on sight, others expect you to go through the warning cycle for each vandal after a block,
There's so much conflicting information on here all thanks to... yeah I'll leave it there, Sorry I couldn't be of any more help, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk17:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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You use redwarn too? Is there an error message saying "Cannot load rule database" for you?
(This is Haumeon, I changed my name) ☀ SolarX☀19:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Also regarding what happened two weeks ago, I heard you were removing shortdesc from many pages, enough to make an admin want to give you a flood flag. How did you find all those pages? I checked on Wikiproject Check Wikipedia and found nothing regarding this. ☀ SolarX☀19:47, 18 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
I know I keep routinely removing these too, Unfortunately I'm not an admin so limited as to what I can do, If you're reverting the same person then report them to WP:VIP, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
(talk page stalker) I've just gone and blocked an IP range that has done this to many articles, that should counter the problem, but there seem to be a few different IPs doing it. I've reverted the ones that were easy to rollback all of, going to try and have a look at the articles properly later tonight. --Ferien (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for your help @Ferien it's always greatly appreciated :),
98 - You're correct - Of course height may be included if there's notability around their height (which in this case there isn't) but yeah If they're not a model or athlete then no - heights don't need to be used, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on Wednesday September 25 at 15:00 UTC. Reading the wikis will not be interrupted, but editing will be paused. These twice-yearly processes allow WMF's site reliability engineering teams to remain prepared to keep the wikis functioning even in the event of a major interruption to one of our data centers.
Updates for editors
A screenshot of the interface for the Alt Text suggested-edit feature
Editors who use the iOS Wikipedia app in Spanish, Portuguese, French, or Chinese, may see the Alt Text suggested-edit experiment after editing an article, or completing a suggested edit using "Add an image". Alt-text helps people with visual impairments to read Wikipedia articles. The team aims to learn if adding alt-text to images is a task that editors can be successful with. Please share any feedback on the discussion page.
The Codex color palette has been updated with new and revised colors for the MediaWiki user interfaces. The most noticeable changes for editors include updates for: dark mode colors for Links and for quiet Buttons (progressive and destructive), visited Link colors for both light and dark modes, and background colors for system-messages in both light and dark modes.
It is now possible to include clickable wikilinks and external links inside code blocks. This includes links that are used within <syntaxhighlight> tags and on code pages (JavaScript, CSS, Scribunto and Sanitized CSS). Uses of template syntax {{…}} are also linked to the template page. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [23]
Two bugs were fixed in the GlobalVanishRequest system by improving the logging and by removing an incorrect placeholder message. [24][25]
The API now enables 5,000 on-demand API requests per month and twice-monthly HTML snapshots freely (gratis and libre). More information on the updates and also improvements to the software development kits (SDK) are explained on the project's blog post. While Wikimedia Enterprise APIs are designed for high-volume commercial reusers, this change enables many more community use-cases to be built on the service too.
The Snapshot API (html dumps) have added beta Structured Contents endpoints (blog post on that) as well as released two beta datasets (English and French Wikipedia) from that endpoint to Hugging Face for public use and feedback (blog post on that). These pre-parsed data sets enable new options for researchers, developers, and data scientists to use and study the content.
In depth
The Wikidata Query Service (WDQS) is used to get answers to questions using the Wikidata data set. As Wikidata grows, we had to make a major architectural change so that WDQS could remain performant. As part of the WDQS Graph Split project, we have new SPARQL endpoints available for serving the "scholarly" and "main" subgraphs of Wikidata. The query.wikidata.org endpoint will continue to serve the full Wikidata graph until March 2025. After this date, it will only serve the main graph. For more information, please see the announcement on Wikidata.
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Hi Davey, I looked at the IP range that would cover the IPs who've kept making the disruptive edits on Bus, Truck etc. The smallest range to contain all the IP addresses appears to be a /38 range which is too wide for a IPv6 block. If the issue gets worse, please feel free to request semi-protection for the pages in question. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi Ferien, Ah okay no worries, Yeah I certainly wouldn't want random people being caught up in the block, I just spotted the similarities at the last minute so chucked it in there just in case lol, Thanks for your message, Take care, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk16:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Not that it's necessarily my business, but I noticed in dealing with the QD request on your userpage: the top template on RfDs is just {{archive top}} substituted, with the corresponding {{archive bottom}}, if that's helpful at all :) --Ferien (talk) 22:00, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Ferien, Oh ..... okay thank you for letting me know lol, Because it uses the "did/did not succeed" category I just assumed it was some sort of template or script that did this, Never once thought it was the atop/abot templates so thank you so much!,
Alls I need to do now is buy a keyboard with the | symbol and then I can finally get rid of the box altogether :), Thanks again for letting know about the rfd template much appreciated :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk22:39, 24 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
Readers of 42 more wikis can now use Dark Mode. If the option is not yet available for logged-out users of your wiki, this is likely because many templates do not yet display well in Dark Mode. Please use the night-mode-checker tool if you are interested in helping to reduce the number of issues. The recommendations page provides guidance on this. Dark Mode is enabled on additional wikis once per month.
Editors using the 2010 wikitext editor as their default can access features from the 2017 wikitext editor by adding ?veaction=editsource to the URL. If you would like to enable the 2017 wikitext editor as your default, it can be set in your preferences. [26]
For logged-out readers using the Vector 2022 skin, the "donate" link has been moved from a collapsible menu next to the content area into a more prominent top menu, next to "Create an account". This restores the link to the level of prominence it had in the Vector 2010 skin. Learn more about the changes related to donor experiences. [27]
The CampaignEvents extension provides tools for organizers to more easily manage events, communicate with participants, and promote their events on the wikis. The extension has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Igbo Wikipedia, Swahili Wikipedia, and Meta-Wiki. Chinese Wikipedia has decided to enable the extension, and discussions on the extension are in progress on Spanish Wikipedia and on Wikidata. To learn how to enable the extension on your wiki, you can visit the CampaignEvents page on Meta-Wiki.
Developers with an account on Wikitech-wiki should check if any action is required for their accounts. The wiki is being changed to use the single-user-login (SUL) system, and other configuration changes. This change will help reduce the overall complexity for the weekly software updates across all our wikis.
In depth
The server switch was completed successfully last week with a read-only time of only 2 minutes 46 seconds. This periodic process makes sure that engineers can switch data centers and keep all of the wikis available for readers, even if there are major technical issues. It also gives engineers a chance to do maintenance and upgrades on systems that normally run 24 hours a day, and often helps to reveal weaknesses in the infrastructure. The process involves dozens of software services and hundreds of hardware servers, and requires multiple teams working together. Work over the past few years has reduced the time from 17 minutes down to 2–3 minutes. [28]
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Point taken. In future, I will avoid it in cases where it's not strictly necessary. Even though it does technically apply here, it also got me into a big dispute with another editor, and ultimately it isn't worth unnecessary disputes just to follow that guideline. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Ferien, It's unfortunately one of those policies that in cases like this suck for everyone,
When the user blanks their talkpage - the redwarn preview box for their talkpage is blank - so when you come to warn them again in 2 weeks/2 months time you have the impression that the user has never been warned and so anyone may start from Level 1 instead of from whatever warning they last received or final warning, that and I felt the user was only blanking to further disrupt the project,
Anyway I don't blame you personally as at the end of the day you were doing what policy says is fine and basically you were "doing your job" so to speak so I don't blame you or have any issue with you,
You're more than welcome to continue as as I said you were doing what is basically correct,
As I said the message left to you was honestly accidental - I wasn't happy sure but I then remembered BLANKING and felt it just wasn't worth complaining over,
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
Communities can now request installation of Automoderator on their wiki. Automoderator is an automated anti-vandalism tool that reverts bad edits based on scores from the new "Revert Risk" machine learning model. You can read details about the necessary steps for installation and configuration. [29]
Updates for editors
Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now customize their articles suggestion list from 41 filtering options when using the tool. This topic-based article suggestion feature makes it easy for translators to self-discover relevant articles based on their area of interest and translate them. You can try it with your mobile device. [30]
It is now possible for <syntaxhighlight> code blocks to offer readers a "Copy" button if the copy=1 attribute is set on the tag. Thanks to SD0001 for these improvements. [31]
Customized copyright footer messages on all wikis will be updated. The new versions will use wikitext markup instead of requiring editing raw HTML. [32]
Later this month, temporary accounts will be rolled out on several pilot wikis. The final list of the wikis will be published in the second half of the month. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 11 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available.
Rate limiting has been enabled for the code review tools Gerrit and GitLab to address ongoing issues caused by malicious traffic and scraping. Clients that open too many concurrent connections will be restricted for a few minutes. This rate limiting is managed through nftables firewall rules. For more details, see Wikitech's pages on Firewall, GitLab limits and Gerrit operations.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
The Structured Discussion extension (also known as Flow) is starting to be removed. This extension is unmaintained and causes issues. It will be replaced by DiscussionTools, which is used on any regular talk page. A first set of wikis are being contacted. These wikis are invited to stop using Flow, and to move all Flow boards to sub-pages, as archives. At these wikis, a script will move all Flow pages that aren't a sub-page to a sub-page automatically, starting on 22 October 2024. On 28 October 2024, all Flow boards at these wikis will be set in read-only mode. [38][39]
WMF's Search Platform team is working on making it easier for readers to perform text searches in their language. A change last week on over 30 languages makes it easier to find words with accents and other diacritics. This applies to both full-text search and to types of advanced search such as the hastemplate and incategory keywords. More technical details (including a few other minor search upgrades) are available. [40]
View all 20 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, EditCheck was installed at Russian Wikipedia, and fixes were made for some missing user interface styles.
Updates for technical contributors
Editors who use the Toolforge tool Earwig's Copyright Violation Detector will now be required to log in with their Wikimedia account before running checks using the "search engine" option. This change is needed to help prevent external bots from misusing the system. Thanks to Chlod for these improvements. [41]
Some HTML elements in the interface are now wrapped with a <bdi> element, to make our HTML output more aligned with Web standards. More changes like this will be coming in future weeks. This change might break some tools that rely on the previous HTML structure of the interface. Note that relying on the HTML structure of the interface is not recommended and might break at any time. [43]
In depth
The latest monthly MediaWiki Product Insights newsletter is available. This edition includes: updates on Wikimedia's authentication system, research to simplify feature development in the MediaWiki platform, updates on Parser Unification and MathML rollout, and more.
The latest quarterly Technical Community Newsletter is now available. This edition include: research about improving topic suggestions related to countries, improvements to PHPUnit tests, and more.
Hi @Fr33kman, Sorry was never notified of your message and didn't spot it earlier - I don't think Short description has ever been a thing here, Think it's just used on the English Wikipedia only, Thanks –Davey2010Talk18:27, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
(talk page stalker) Hello, Fr33kman ☺️ (and hello Davey ☺️)! Judging by the template and its documentation history, it was never a thing. They imported it here in 2018 and blanked it in the same year. According to the doc, it doesn't work here. I think they blanked it instead of deleting it to easily spot copy-pasted content from enwiki. I saw an admin talking about this, but I am only 95% sure. Have a nice day or night ☀️🌙 ✩ DreamIndigo ✩20:26, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
They deactivated it in 2019, not 2018, I am sorry! It was commented out on 22 Jan 2019. I am on mobile and I can only open a tab at the time, so I had to rely on my memory (who failed). ✩ DreamIndigo ✩20:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Dream Indigo☺️, Thanks for your insightful reply, I had to no idea a discussion was even had here (or long forgotten it!), I know short desc was created because Google results for articles were showing very offensive vandalism, Not really sure why we don't use it considering WikiData items can still be vandalised, Anyway thanks and you have a nice day or night too :), Take care, –Davey2010Talk20:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I played archeologist and read some random Simple Talk Archives, that's where I found out I think. Back then I didn't even know Simple English was a thing. Kinda sad how they resorted to this template instead of protecting WikiData itself, which is useful to all Wikipedias, but I am a Wikidata lover, so… I am biased 😁 Jokes aside, it might have been a cache problem: it's quicker to clean up something on English Wikipedia than to wait for the description to purge itself. Also, enwiki has the most editors. I don't know how many editors Simple English Wikipedia and Wikidata have. Anyway, if you want to know the truth, you should ask the admin who commented it out, I am sure he remembers the actual reason. Have an amazing night, ciao ciao! ✨⭐️🌟💫 ✩ DreamIndigo ✩20:59, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I agree it is a shame but I guess WikiData couldn't be protected because of the whole "IPs have to be allowed to edit" mantra, Exactly enwiki has a lot more editors so any vandalism there is instantly seen and reverted, Anyway thanks and you have a great day/night too, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:24, 17 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi, I just thought I'd add one more note, that primary references are ok but need to be used with caution. w:en:WP:RSPRIMARY explains this well - in this instance we are just referring to a simple fact, that the product launched in 2014. Secondary references are preferable but for this it is fairly uncontroversial so not an issue here as that was the one easiest to find. Perhaps it could be replaced with a secondary reference when one can be located. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 18:27, 21 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
The Mobile Apps team has released an update to the iOS app's navigation, and it is now available in the latest App store version. The team added a new Profile menu that allows for easy access to editor features like Notifications and Watchlist from the Article view, and brings the "Donate" button into a more accessible place for users who are reading an article. This is the first phase of a larger planned navigation refresh to help the iOS app transition from a primarily reader-focused app, to an app that fully supports reading and editing. The Wikimedia Foundation has added more editing features and support for on-wiki communication based on volunteer requests in recent years.
iOS Wikipedia App's profile menu and contents
Updates for editors
Wikipedia readers can now download a browser extension to experiment with some early ideas on potential features that recommend articles for further reading, automatically summarize articles, and improve search functionality. For more details and to stay updated, check out the Web team's Content Discovery Experiments page and subscribe to their newsletter.
Later this month, logged-out editors of these 12 wikis will start to have temporary accounts created. The list may slightly change - some wikis may be removed but none will be added. Temporary account is a new type of user account. It enhances the logged-out editors' privacy and makes it easier for community members to communicate with them. If you maintain any tools, bots, or gadgets on these 12 wikis, and your software is using data about IP addresses or is available for logged-out users, please check if it needs to be updated to work with temporary accounts. Guidance on how to update the code is available. Read more about the deployment plan across all wikis.
It is now possible to create functions on Wikifunctions using Wikidata lexemes, through the new Wikidata lexeme type launched last week. When you go to one of these functions, the user interface provides a lexeme selector that helps you pick a lexeme from Wikidata that matches the word you type. After hitting run, your selected lexeme is retrieved from Wikidata, transformed into a Wikidata lexeme type, and passed into the selected function. Read more about this in the latest Wikifunctions newsletter.
Updates for technical contributors
Users of the Wikimedia sites can now format dates more easily in different languages with the new {{#timef:…}} parser function. For example, {{#timef:now|date|en}} will show as "27 December 2024". Previously, {{#time:…}} could be used to format dates, but this required knowledge of the order of the time and date components and their intervening punctuation. #timef (or #timefl for local time) provides access to the standard date formats that MediaWiki uses in its user interface. This may help to simplify some templates on multi-lingual wikis like Commons and Meta. [49][50]
Commons and Meta users can now efficiently retrieve the user's language using {{USERLANGUAGE}} instead of using {{int:lang}}. [51]
The Product and Tech Advisory Council (PTAC) now has its pilot members with representation across Africa, Asia, Europe, North America and South America. They will work to address the Movement Strategy's Technology Council initiative of having a co-defined and more resilient technological platform. [52]
In depth
The latest quarterly Growth newsletter is available. It includes: an upcoming Newcomer Homepage Community Updates module, new Community Configuration options, and details on new projects.
The Wikimedia Foundation is now an official partner of the CVE program, which is an international effort to catalog publicly disclosed cybersecurity vulnerabilities. This partnership will allow the Security Team to instantly publish common vulnerabilities and exposures (CVE) records that are affecting MediaWiki core, extensions, and skins, along with any other code the Foundation is a steward of.
The Community Wishlist is now testing machine translations for Wishlist content. Volunteers can now read machine-translated versions of wishes and dive into discussions even before translators arrive to translate content.
20–22 December 2024 - Indic Wikimedia Hackathon Bhubaneswar 2024 in Odisha, India. A hackathon for community members, including developers, designers and content editors, to build technical solutions that improve contributors' experiences.
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Cup of tea, Scotland
Asteralee has given you a cup of tea! Spread WikiLove by giving someone else some tea, whether it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.
Give someone a cup of tea by adding {{subst:Wikitea}} to someone's talk page along a nice message!
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
Later in November, the Charts extension will be deployed to the test wikis in order to help identify and fix any issue. A security review is underway to then enable deployment to pilot wikis for broader testing. You can read the October project update and see the latest documentation and examples on Beta Wikipedia.
View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pediapress.com, an external service that creates books from Wikipedia, can now use Wikimedia Maps to include existing pre-rendered infobox map images in their printed books on Wikipedia. [53]
Updates for technical contributors
Wikis can use the Guided Tour extension to help newcomers understand how to edit. The Guided Tours extension now works with dark mode. Guided Tour maintainers can check their tours to see that nothing looks odd. They can also set emitTransitionOnStep to true to fix an old bug. They can use the new flag allowAutomaticBack to avoid back-buttons they don't want. [54]
Administrators in the Wikimedia projects who use the Nuke Extension will notice that mass deletions done with this tool have the "Nuke" tag. This change will make reviewing and analyzing deletions performed with the tool easier. [55]
Vanguardngr is an interview with "Bhadboi Turner" and it states and I quote “I’m just myself and I don’t copy anyone’s style. I’m working on a couple of projects and I’ve got to work with Seyi Vibes, Damo K, Tobless, Kennyblaze, Waskido Frosh, Surelyboi and many more and these are hit tracks to watch out for,” he gushed. (emphasis mine)
So the Vanguard source is an interview with a different person and simply mentions Damo K, Vanguard is a reliable source however it's a trivial mention so cannot be used, If it was an interview with Damo himself then it would be fine to use, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @41.210.155.75, Thanks for making me aware of it existing on the English Wikipedia, I did search on Google but there was nothing substantial and to be honest I only did a preview-search at enwiki but unbeknown to me "Kefas Brand" hasn't been created there so his article wouldn't show, (I was expecting his article to be under the same name at enwiki so didn't think to search his full name although had I actually searched for Kefas Brand his article would've come up), The one time I do a lazy preview-search and it comes back to bite me!, Anyway I've quickly deleted the RFD and have removed the RFD from the daily log, Thanks again, –Davey2010Talk16:28, 30 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
I have removed it I hope it doesn’t affect Anything Check through the edit history and review the edit. I’m saying so because I don’t want to mess up anything since I’m not yet a great editor but still learning Idrisskunle (talk) 12:44, 1 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Contributor 118,784, Thanks so much, my editing here has been fits and starts so I technically probably haven't been here for 10 years per se but I'll take it thank you :),
It's also mad knowing I've made 19,302 edits this year alone - 19 thousand edits in 10 months! - I really need to get out more! :P, Anyway thanks again, Happy editing, –Davey2010Talk13:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Dream Indigo, Aww thank you so much and same to you Thank you for your valued contributions and thank you for your help here :), Always a pleasure seeing you :), Happy editing, Take care –Davey2010Talk21:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)Reply
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thetree284 has given you four cups of bubble tea! Spread WikiLove by giving someone else four cups of bubble tea, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.
Give someone four cups of bubble tea by adding {{subst:Bubble tea2}} to someone's talk page along a nice message!
Hi @Raayaan9911, Account's been blocked here by an admin and I'm assuming Meta have already locked it, I've been told off before for reporting a locked account which don't show as locked my end so I'm simply assuming it's been spotted and locked already. If it hasn't been locked they have over 100+ projects to continue their vandalism at but that's not my problem, Not going to be disrespectfully shouted at again over something I cannot see with my own eyes so yeah you've done as much as you can as far as I'm concerned, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk16:07, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @BRPever, Okay thank you I'll try that in future first, I hadn't spotted this was an old name either so my bad, Thanks for the helpful link, Happy ediitng, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk16:19, 4 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
Stewards can now make global account blocks cause global autoblocks. This will assist stewards in preventing abuse from users who have been globally blocked. This includes preventing globally blocked temporary accounts from exiting their session or switching browsers to make subsequent edits for 24 hours. Previously, temporary accounts could exit their current session or switch browsers to continue editing. This is an anti-abuse tool improvement for the Temporary Accounts project. You can read more about the progress on key features for temporary accounts. [56]
Wikis that have the CampaignEvents extension enabled can now use the Collaboration List feature. This list provides a new, easy way for contributors to learn about WikiProjects on their wikis. Thanks to the Campaign team for this work that is part of the 2024/25 annual plan. If you are interested in bringing the CampaignEvents extension to your wiki, you can follow these steps or you can reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for help.
The text color for red links will be slightly changed later this week to improve their contrast in light mode. [57]
View all 32 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, on multilingual wikis, users can now hide translations from the WhatLinksHere special page.
Updates for technical contributors
XML data dumps have been temporarily paused whilst a bug is investigated. [58]
In depth
Temporary Accounts have been deployed to six wikis; thanks to the Trust and Safety Product team for this work, you can read about the deployment plans. Beginning next week, Temporary Accounts will also be enabled on seven other projects. If you are active on these wikis and need help migrating your tools, please reach out to User:Udehb-WMF for assistance.
The latest quarterly Language and Internationalization newsletter is available. It includes: New languages supported in translatewiki or in MediaWiki; New keyboard input methods for some languages; details about recent and upcoming meetings, and more.
Meetings and events
MediaWiki Users and Developers Conference Fall 2024 is happening in Vienna, Austria and online from 4 to 6 November 2024. The conference will feature discussions around the usage of MediaWiki software by and within companies in different industries and will inspire and onboard new users.
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Hi, Davey! I was looking at your userpage and noticed the User:Davey2010/Userbox/Olympics userbox. You see, the black background ends before the French flag does (at least on my PC screen res) and I can't see the closing ceremony because the Super Bowl userbox covers it as soon as the black border ends. If you remove height:845px; from the Olympics userbox, the black border should automatically hug (forgot the correct word lmfao) the userbox very nicely, thus solving the problem. I really hope this doesn't come off as annoying, but I am the most annoying perfectionist, so yeah :D ✩ DreamIndigo ✩01:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Dream Indigo, Yeah I've noticed they appear differently on different devices some they show fine and others half of it's cut off, I just assumed the div thing only worked on some devices, Lol hug that made me smile :), I didn't realise the heights automatically hugged the userbox,
Nooooo I could never hate you nor find you annoying! It's always nice seeing you pop up here :) Thanks so much for your helpful suggestions it's very much appreciated :), Take care, Have a lovely day, Thanks again, –Davey2010Talk12:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Aww I am very happy I made you smile :) It's always nice seeing you too :D And no worries about the accidental revert, you too have a lovely day, thank you! ✩ DreamIndigo ✩13:48, 5 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Idrisskunle, Unfortunately the image doesn't show because it's being hosted on the English Wikipedia only - Images that are uploaded on the English Wikipedia only can't be reused on other projects, Only images uploaded on Commons can be reused on other Wikipedias, I hope this makes sense, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk14:31, 6 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Then sort it out on the English Wikipedia where the problem is?...., That editor doesn't even edit here any more so your message wouldn't be seen by them, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk17:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @152.86.164.35, Please accept my apologies for the tone of my reply above - I didn't read your message there and just assumed you were complaining over an enwiki problem, I had checked the edit and wasn't happy so reverted as you noted above :), Happy editing, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk21:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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@Auntof6, I don't know why but for some reason I thought ai results were taken off of various websites, I've searched the users quotes and none show up as copyright so no idea why I thought that, @Yummy Vegetables please ignore the copyright bit as that doesn't apply here, Sorry for giving out the wrong information, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk13:03, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
AI might amalgamate stuff from websites (I guess it has to get its knowledge somewhere), but it doesn't do anything like copy/paste as far as I know.
@Yummy Vegetables - AI or no AI you still need to provide reliable sources. We want real editors who write real things.... Not people who mass-dump ai generated shite everywhere and call those dumps "improvements". Thanks –Davey2010Talk19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
You Are Acting Like You Want Your Wiki To Remain Shriveled And Empty For Eternity. This Is What Will Happen If You Do Not Allow Simple Information Retrieval. Nobody Has The Time For "Intensive Research" Anymore. Yummy Vegetables (talk) 20:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
"You Are Acting Like You Want Your Wiki To Remain Shriveled And Empty For Eternity" - Wrong, I just want someone who can expand articles without relying on AI, I want someone who can contribute to Simple without making a hash of it and causing disruption in the process.
"This Is What Will Happen If You Do Not Allow Simple Information Retrieval. Nobody Has The Time For "Intensive Research" Anymore. Bs, Hell will freeze over before AI will ever be accepted here.
If you don't have the time to do research then I would very respectfully suggest you find another hobby. The whole point of editing here is Researching, Expanding and Sourcing. If researching and sourcing are too much for you then yeah this place isn't for you. Thanks –Davey2010Talk20:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
It's not me that needs to save anything, Save yourself and become an independent editor instead of relying on AI to do everything for you :) Save yourself. –Davey2010Talk21:31, 10 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
On wikis with the Translate extension enabled, users will notice that the FuzzyBot will now automatically create translated versions of categories used on translated pages. [60]
In 1.44.0-wmf-2, the logic of Wikibase function getAllStatements changed to behave like getBestStatements. Invoking the function now returns a copy of values which are immutable. [62]
Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. The API will be rerouting some page content endpoints from RESTbase to the newer MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The impacted endpoints include getting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content. These changes will be available on testwiki later this week, with other projects to follow. This change should not affect existing functionality, but active users of the impacted endpoints should verify behavior on testwiki, and raise any concerns on the related Phabricator ticket.
In depth
Admins and users of the Wikimedia projects where Automoderator is enabled can now monitor and evaluate important metrics related to Automoderator's actions. This Superset dashboard calculates and aggregates metrics about Automoderator's behaviour on the projects in which it is deployed. Thanks to the Moderator Tools team for this Dashboard; you can visit the documentation page for more information about this work. [63]
Meetings and events
21 November 2024 (8:00 UTC & 16:00 UTC) - Community call with Wikimedia Commons volunteers and stakeholders to help prioritize support efforts for 2025-2026 Fiscal Year. The theme of this call is how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
Users of Wikimedia sites will now be warned when they create a redirect to a page that doesn't exist. This will reduce the number of broken redirects to red links in our projects. [64]
View all 42 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, Pywikibot, which automates work on MediaWiki sites, was upgraded to 9.5.0 on Toolforge. [65]
Updates for technical contributors
On wikis that use the FlaggedRevs extension, pages created or moved by users with the appropriate permissions are marked as flagged automatically. This feature has not been working recently, and changes fixing it should be deployed this week. Thanks to Daniel and Wargo for working on this. [66][67]
In depth
There is a new Diff post about Temporary Accounts, available in more than 15 languages. Read it to learn about what Temporary Accounts are, their impact on different groups of users, and the plan to introduce the change on all wikis.
Meetings and events
Technical volunteers can now register for the 2025 Wikimedia Hackathon, which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. Application for travel and accommodation scholarships is open from November 12 to December 10 2024. The registration for the event will close in mid-April 2025. The Wikimedia Hackathon is an annual gathering that unites the global technical community to collaborate on existing projects and explore new ideas.
Join the Wikimedia Commons community calls this week to help prioritize support for Commons which will be planned for 2025–2026. The theme will be how content should be organised on Wikimedia Commons. This is an opportunity for volunteers who work on different things to come together and talk about what matters for the future of the project. The calls will take place November 21, 2024, 8:00 UTC and 16:00 UTC.
A Language community meeting will take place November 29, 16:00 UTC to discuss updates and technical problem-solving.
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@Davey2010 hope you are doing great? The page has been previously deleted Oceanic International Yoga School Goa Which I have checked and has been deleted before but again and again it is published with new user.
@BZPN Templating the regulars aside, a citation is only absolutely necessary when there is material whose verifiability has been challenged, or material whose verifiability is likely to be challenged (en:Wikipedia:Verifiability). I doubt that filmographies are that contentious. It would be nice to have sources for the movies, but you really didn't need to throw the baby out with the bath water with this one by reverting the entire edit.
@Davey2010Sorry, I meant FehufangaBZPN (talk) 14:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC), why are you quoting English Wikipedia? Our Wikipedia:Verifiability doesn't mention about such a thing, and it also says Verifiability is the key to becoming a reliable resource, so editors should cite credible sources so that their edits can be easily verified. The filmography may be questionable - following what you said, to check it, you need to, for example, look at the film's subtitles, and the films may not be available to everyone. The source of such information should be provided, as it is not obvious in any way. Have a nice day :). BZPN (talk) 13:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BZPN You're replying to the wrong person. WP:FOLLOW is a guideline in this wiki. If enwiki is doing it, then it's probably for a good reason since they've been doing it for two decades over now. If you think that filmographies have to be fully sourced, then your time is better spent by finding sources for these sections rather than deleting them outright. Liv_Morgan, Kevin_Spacey, Coen_brothers, etc. And what about the English Wikipedia? en:Coen_brothers#Filmography. It is unfair to make later editors dig for sources to check your work, particularly when the initial content is questionable. Are filmographies that contentious? No. Are claims of scientific discoveries contentious? Very likely. Are allegations about living people contentious? Definitely. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page13:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Fehufanga, WP:FOLLOW does not say that enwiki rules override local rules. We have WP:Verifiability here and we should stick to it. Moreover, there is no mention anywhere that information about the filmography is not controversial (this is your opinion, I think differently), just as there is no mention that the filmography is obvious information for everyone (which of course it is not, it is not 2+2=4). Also, if I understand correctly, the quote It is unfair to make later editors dig for sources to check your work, particularly when the initial content is questionable refers to the user whose talk page we are on, not to me - I withdrew information whose reliability and verifiability readers might have doubts about. BZPN (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
@BZPN Practices are policy. Our practice when we find unsourced content is to see whether the content is actually correct or not. Reverting at a sight of content without any actual effort is counterproductive. The steps at Wikipedia:Verifiability tells you how exactly to proceed with verifying the content. I don't think you need to follow exactly what it mentions, but at least some attempt to communicate or verify the content is necessary. This is clearly a case where you assumed bad faith from the start. I think Davey went a bit too far with the edit summary but I see a lot of error in the way you handled this situation.-- BRP ever14:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
First off BZPN I apologise for calling you a moron, that was not okay. I like to expand articles and I've never once been reverted for copypasting so to see me being reverted felt like I can't be trusted or that the information I've added must be fake. In an ideal world yes they should be sourced but as Fehufanga correctly points out Could you really not have done this yourself if you had such a huge problem with it ?, If I spot someone adding unsourced content that I believe could be fake I'll do the research and source where necessary.
I appreciate the onus is on me to source the content but I'm simply copying what's deemed to be acceptable content on the English Wikipedia over so surely you should be telling them to source it ...
Sourcing individual entries takes a lot of time and effort and it's not a 5 minute job (If you check my EN userpage you'll see my expansion edits have all been to source filmography tables but I certainly don't see why those at EN should be down to me to do which is why I sort of stopped and just do it occasionally).
The time and effort you've spent reverting me and templating me could've been far better spent on sourcing that very filmogrpahy table that you have a problem with.... Nonetheless none of that excuses my comment to you so I apologise for that, I'll do better going forward. Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. I understand that you want to expand the articles - that is also my goal. However, I believe that any non-obvious information should have a source. As you said, I could have added sources myself, but I didn't have time for it at the time - I decided it would be better to remove unsourced information so as not to cause doubts for readers, rather than leaving it for an indefinite period of time. I have nothing more to say. I have no problem with anyone - my goal is only to ensure the reilability of the information :). Best regards, BZPN (talk) 15:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Exactly that's both our goals here - to expand and to give our readers knowledge, Thanks for sourcing but unfortunately IMDB can't be used as per en:WP:Citing Imdb - IMDB is user generated) (Sorry I didn't take any joy from removing them either but I cite Citing IMDB on EN so I can't just turn a blind eye here), Have a great day, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk15:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Filmweb is a relatively reliable source - although it is not scientific, it is not created by users/community. Filmweb acts as a news source written by the editorial staff (like other online newspapers). Users cannot edit Filmweb, except for the ability to write opinions (but separate from the content). BZPN (talk) 15:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Updates for editors
A new version of the standard wikitext editor-mode syntax highlighter will be available as a beta feature later this week. This brings many new features and bug fixes, including right-to-left support, template folding, autocompletion, and an improved search panel. You can learn more on the help page.
The 2010 wikitext editor now supports common keyboard shortcuts such Ctrl+B for bold and Ctrl+I for italics. A full list of all six shortcuts is available. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. [68]
Starting November 28, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: bswiki, elwiki, euwiki, fawiki, fiwiki, frwikiquote, frwikisource, frwikiversity, frwikivoyage, idwiki, lvwiki, plwiki, ptwiki, urwiki, viwikisource, zhwikisource. This is done as part of StructuredDiscussions deprecation work. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact Trizek (WMF).
The CodeEditor, which can be used in JavaScript, CSS, JSON, and Lua pages, now offers live autocompletion. Thanks to SD0001 for this improvement. The feature can be temporarily disabled on a page by pressing Ctrl+, and un-selecting "Live Autocompletion".
Tool-maintainers who use the Graphite system for tracking metrics, need to migrate to the newer Prometheus system. They can check this dashboard and the list in the Description of the task T350592 to see if their tools are listed, and they should claim metrics and dashboards connected to their tools. They can then disable or migrate all existing metrics by following the instructions in the task. The Graphite service will become read-only in April. [69]
The New PreProcessor parser performance report has been fixed to give an accurate count for the number of Wikibase entities accessed. It had previously been resetting after 400 entities. [70]
Meetings and events
A Language community meeting will take place November 29 at 16:00 UTC. There will be presentations on topics like developing language keyboards, the creation of the Mooré Wikipedia, the language support track at Wiki Indaba, and a report from the Wayuunaiki community on their experiences with the Incubator and as a new community over the last 3 years. This meeting will be in English and will also have Spanish interpretation.
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Hello. The word other is not the best in this situation, because it suggests connections between these models and Citroen (if you know better ones, you can replace them). "Other models" must be separated from the 3rd generation with a separate heading so as not to suggest connections with Citroen. BZPN (talk) 17:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @BZPN, Many thanks for patiently waiting, Would you say this is better?, I know it's repetitive but I've kept the "x by X" in so it doesn't sound like Citroen make the van under those names, You're more than welcome to change the article and improve it, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:09, 26 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @BZPN, You're welcome and thanks again for patiently waiting it really is greatly appreciated :), Enjoy the rest of your day/evening, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk20:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Starting this week, Wikimedia wikis no longer support connections using old RSA-based HTTPS certificates, specifically rsa-2048. This change is to improve security for all users. Some older, unsupported browser or smartphone devices will be unable to connect; Instead, they will display a connectivity error. See the HTTPS Browser Recommendations page for more-detailed information. All modern operating systems and browsers are always able to reach Wikimedia projects. [71]
Starting December 16, Flow/Structured Discussions pages will be automatically archived and set to read-only at the following wikis: arwiki, cawiki, frwiki, mediawikiwiki, orwiki, wawiki, wawiktionary, wikidatawiki, zhwiki. This is done as part of StructuredDiscussions deprecation work. If you need any assistance to archive your page in advance, please contact Trizek (WMF). [72]
This month the Chart extension was deployed to production and is now available on Commons and Testwiki. With the security review complete, pilot wiki deployment is expected to start in the first week of December. You can see a working version on Testwiki and read the November project update for more details.
View all 23 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug with the "Download as PDF" system was fixed. [73]
Updates for technical contributors
In late February, temporary accounts will be rolled out on at least 10 large wikis. This deployment will have a significant effect on the community-maintained code. This is about Toolforge tools, bots, gadgets, and user scripts that use IP address data or that are available for logged-out users. The Trust and Safety Product team wants to identify this code, monitor it, and assist in updating it ahead of the deployment to minimize disruption to workflows. The team asks technical editors and volunteer developers to help identify such tools by adding them to this list. In addition, review the updated documentation to learn how to adjust the tools. Join the discussions on the project talk page or in the dedicated thread on the Wikimedia Community Discord server (in English) for support and to share feedback.
Hi @Asteralee, Thank you so much for your lovely greeting, I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Healthy New Year,
Where has the year gone though ?, 30/29 days left until 2025 :O, I aint ready for Christmas and I'm not ready for 2025 lol, Just feels like I've blinked and 2024 has gone straight by, Anyway hope you all have a lovely Crimbo and New Year :), Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk23:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
Technical documentation contributors can find updated resources, and new ways to connect with each other and the Wikimedia Technical Documentation Team, at the Documentation hub on MediaWiki.org. This page links to: resources for writing and improving documentation, a new #wikimedia-techdocs IRC channel on libera.chat, a listing of past and upcoming documentation events, and ways to request a documentation consultation or review. If you have any feedback or ideas for improvements to the documentation ecosystem, please contact the Technical Documentation Team.
Updates for editors
Layout change for the Edit Check feature
Later this week, Edit Check will be relocated to a sidebar on desktop. Edit check is the feature for new editors to help them follow policies and guidelines. This layout change creates space to present people with new Checks that appear while they are typing. The initial results show newcomers encountering Edit Check are 2.2 times more likely to publish a new content edit that includes a reference and is not reverted.
The Chart extension, which enables editors to create data visualizations, was successfully made available on MediaWiki.org and three pilot wikis (Italian, Swedish, and Hebrew Wikipedias). You can see a working examples on Testwiki and read the November project update for more details.
Translators in wikis where the mobile experience of Content Translation is available, can now discover articles in Wikiproject campaigns of their interest from the "All collection" category in the articles suggestion feature. Wikiproject Campaign organizers can use this feature, to help translators to discover articles of interest, by adding the <page-collection> </page-collection> tag to their campaign article list page on Meta-wiki. This will make those articles discoverable in the Content Translation tool. For more detailed information on how to use the tool and tag, please refer to the step-by-step guide. [74]
The Nuke feature, which enables administrators to mass delete pages, now has a multiselect filter for namespace selection. This enables users to select multiple specific namespaces, instead of only one or all, when fetching pages for deletion.
The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions. Thanks to Chlod and the Moderator Tools team for both of these improvements. [75]
The Editing Team is working on making it easier to populate citations from archive.org using the Citoid tool, the auto-filled citation generator. They are asking communities to add two parameters preemptively, archiveUrl and archiveDate, within the TemplateData for each citation template using Citoid. You can see an example of a change in a template, and a list of all relevant templates. [76]
Last week, all wikis had problems serving pages to logged-in users and some logged-out users for 30–45 minutes. This was caused by a database problem, and investigation is ongoing. [78]
View all 19 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug in the Add Link feature has been fixed. Previously, the list of sections which are excluded from Add Link was partially ignored in certain cases. [79][80]
Updates for technical contributors
Codex, the design system for Wikimedia, now has an early-stage implementation in PHP. It is available for general use in MediaWiki extensions and Toolforge apps through Composer, with use in MediaWiki core coming soon. More information is available in the documentation. Thanks to Doğu for the inspiration and many contributions to the library. [81]
Wikimedia REST API users, such as bot operators and tool maintainers, may be affected by ongoing upgrades. On December 4, the MediaWiki Interfaces team began rerouting page/revision metadata and rendered HTML content endpoints on testwiki from RESTbase to comparable MediaWiki REST API endpoints. The team encourages active users of these endpoints to verify their tool's behavior on testwiki and raise any concerns on the related Phabricator ticket before the end of the year, as they intend to roll out the same change across all Wikimedia projects in early January. These changes are part of the work to replace the outdated RESTBase system.
The 2024 Developer Satisfaction Survey is seeking the opinions of the Wikimedia developer community. Please take the survey if you have any role in developing software for the Wikimedia ecosystem. The survey is open until 3 January 2025, and has an associated privacy statement.
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Hello, I've seen you writing about buses a lot, but I don't know if you're interested in cars or only buses. If you are interested, Luxury car starts with "A luxury car is a type of car that gives a feeling of comfort and luxury in travel but relatively less than a luxury lorry and luxury bus." That doesn't sound right to me, how about you? Also, it lists many car companies, some of which are not known for their luxury cars in particular. If you're interested in editing this, please go ahead. Otherwise I may remove some of this. Depextual (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Depextual, I agree that version made no sense and I believe the rest was vandalism (Citroen are a lot of things but luxurious isn't one of them) so I've reverted, I'll expand it later tonight, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk20:41, 15 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hi! I see you've created a load of articles on English locations. Just to note that the short description template is also being copied across which leaves a message on each one. Lee Vilenski(talk • contribs)23:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
:Hi @Lee Vilenski, Don't worry there is a method to my madness :), Once I've created them all I'll be heading to Simple talk and asking for the shortdesc to be removed with AWB,
It's a slog creating these as it is and removing the shortdesc individually slows this already boring process down even more so I figured it would be better to just ask at Simple talk as soon as I'm done :), Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk23:24, 15 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Lee Vilenski, I disagree, Having it as it is makes people inclined to remove it and actually since I've added that text a lot more people are removing it upon article creation so it's working as intended, Also I had taken the text from {{Portal}} as that's obviously not used here either, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk01:11, 16 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Weekly highlight
Interested in improving event management on your home wiki? The CampaignEvents extension offers organizers features like event registration management, event/wikiproject promotion, finding potential participants, and more - all directly on-wiki. If you are an organizer or think your community would benefit from this extension, start a discussion to enable it on your wiki today. To learn more about how to enable this extension on your wiki, visit the deployment status page.
Updates for editors
Users of the iOS Wikipedia App in Italy and Mexico on the Italian, Spanish, and English Wikipedias, can see a personalized Year in Review with insights based on their reading and editing history.
Users of the Android Wikipedia App in Sub-Saharan Africa and South Asia can see the new Rabbit Holes feature. This feature shows a suggested search term in the Search bar based on the current article being viewed, and a suggested reading list generated from the user’s last two visited articles.
The global reminder bot is now active and running on nearly 800 wikis. This service reminds most users holding temporary rights when they are about to expire, so that they can renew should they want to. See the technical details page for more information.
The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 13 January 2025 because of the end of year holidays. Thank you to all of the translators, and people who submitted content or feedback, this year.
View all 27 community-submitted tasks that were resolved last week. For example, a bug was fixed in the Android Wikipedia App which had caused translatable SVG images to show the wrong language when they were tapped.
Updates for technical contributors
There is no new MediaWiki version next week. The next deployments will start on 14 January. [83]
Hi @Asteralee, Thank you so much for your lovely greeting, I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Healthy New Year,
Where has the year gone though ?, 30/29 days left until 2025 :O, I aint ready for Christmas and I'm not ready for 2025 lol, Just feels like I've blinked and 2024 has gone straight by, Anyway hope you all have a lovely Crimbo and New Year :), Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk23:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
Spread the Christmas cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas3}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
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Brioche23 (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!
Spread the cheer by adding {{subst:Xmas2}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Jayden Johnson 2314, If you were highly aware of SOCK you wouldn't have created this account :), Please stick to one account otherwise I'll just report you for socking and you'll be blocked on both accounts, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk00:41, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Remember to have an email address tide to your account. If you do forget the password, you can follow the directions at Help:Reset password to reset the password. Then you don't need to have two accounts (and what happens if you also forget the password to the second account...). Ravensfire (talk) 20:01, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Thanks for reporting Adelaideslement and one other. Being honest, I’d seen the bad history of their socks on enwiki and decided to let it go. I just reported both on SRG for LTA. Thanks again! ⯎ Asteralee ⯎03:42, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Asteralee, You're welcome, Thanks for the thanks :), I'll be honest despite their socking on Enwiki I probably would've let it slide putting it down to a silly mistake (I'm perhaps too naïve for my own good) but their reply about how they've learnt their lesson on Enwiki made me think they were just taking the p*ss and It wasn't something I could just ignore (Like how can you say "I've learned not to sock" but under the same breath you're creating a whole new account seemingly for no reason?🤣, make it make sense ffs lol),
As of writing this I've not checked the CU page but from experience SRG haven't actioned my previous sock reports seemingly because I'm not believed ... so I use the CU page here as evidence, Anyway thanks for reporting the idiots to SRG it's much appreciated, Take care and stay safe, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk15:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
As of now, the SRG hasn't completed the action (idk if they're ignoring me or smth), surprisingly they have completed actions on the newer requests, so I'm still waiting...
As of the CU page, Eptalon closed the request, and Adelaide + the one other aren't blocked/locked yet, and so, Adelaide restored their user page and has continued editing. Have a lovely rest of your week, see ya! ⯎ Asteralee ⯎16:11, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Asteralee, That's exactly what I've been facing there too - Ignored but newer requests actioned, I really did expect to log in today to see the CU request actioned, accounts blocked, .... the norm ..... but nope nearly a whole day later we are no better off than we were yesterday night!. Hows that make any sort of sense ?, Thanks and you have a lovely week too, Take care, D x –Davey2010Talk18:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Hello i am here to wish you a merry christmas and a happy new year! Good luck with your contributions and i hope everything good happens to you in the next year best regards! 179.109.143.159 (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Asteralee Thanks so much, I'll be honest I've long forgotten the date I signed up here, I thought you were wishing me a Happy Birthday and I was confused as to why as 22 October has long sailed haha, All of this idiocy today has made me lose every braincell I had icl. Anyway thanks again :), Take care, –Davey2010Talk22:19, 21 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'm late to the party :( Sorry Davey for not saying anything yesterday! I put 8 October as your WikiBirthday on my calendar, so I forgot the Simple Wiki one. Also, lately I've been focusing more on the Italian Wikipedia, which means that I haven't been as active here and I feel a little guilty when all of my edits of the day are on talk pages lmfao (will be more active here soon, promised). So Happy SimpleWikiBirthday!!! 😊🎉 ✩ DreamIndigo ✩00:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Dream Indigo, Aww noo you've got nothing to be sorry for - Until Asteralee told me I had no idea haha, I've missed seeing you everywhere to be honest, Anyway thanks so much :D, Take care and enjoy Italy Wikipedia :P, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk01:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Awww that's so sweet of you! Be careful not to call it the Italy Wikipedia though, or the Swiss might get mad and change their minds about neutrality (really bad joke I know, that's what studying History instead of editing – then failing the exam – does to someone lol). ✩ DreamIndigo ✩01:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, they speak Italian in Ticino, Switzerland, and in some other small countries like San Marino (as an official language or not). Wikipedia is about sharing knowledge after all :D Btw I wanted to make you laugh :P so everything's fine (as long as it isn't the professor laughing, then I'm crying lol). ✩ DreamIndigo ✩01:47, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh wow, you learn something new everyday :), It is 110%, Hahaha awwww, Sorry about the exam too, As asterlee says things will get better and things take time :) –Davey2010Talk02:09, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Asteralee: Aww thanks! No worries, he doesn't even know my face, I didn't exactly "fail", I just gave up beforehand and ran away. Some might call it a "cowardly move", but I prefer a "strategic retreat", kind of like the one Stalin pulled on the Italians (See? I studied!). Anyway, I went offwiki too much tonight, so see you around. As promised, I'll be back to normal (and actually constructive) editing soon. Have an amazing day and night! ✩ DreamIndigo ✩02:08, 22 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Dream Indigo Studying really gets you somewhere doesn’t it? If only I could get myself to do the same...
Latest comment: 3 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion
hello again the reason i am here on simple english Wikipedia is to create car articles and car brands articles because i want this wikipedia to have more automobile articles and also i create articles using the engilsh wikipedia articles as base but i put different words and also i add sources and again i am the same person contribuiting here and the same person who wished you merry christmas and a happy new year and wikibirthday but my ip frequently changes but this dosent bother me as i am more comfortable being anonymous anyways i hope you understand that and again merry christmas and a happy new year to you hope everything good happens to you in the next year and best regards! 179.109.143.151 (talk) 02:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 3 days ago8 comments2 people in discussion
Hello again,
My IP is different, but I am still the same person contributing here. And i am dont have mutiple accounts its just my ip that changes I was working on creating the article for the Hyundai Alcazar, but the internet was very slow, and the CAPTCHA did not load properly. So, I copied the text to avoid losing it and restarted my phone. Since i only use a phone to create articles and it is in google go because its more easier to me However, after restarting, I lost my work, and I felt a little disappointed by that.
And again thanks for your contributions, and good luck with your editing.
Thank you for your suggestion! I prefer using Google Go for editing because it’s easier for me, and I’m still dont know how to use different tools. But I appreciate your understanding!
As for the Hyundai Alcazar article, unfortunately, I lost my previous work. Could you possibly help by creating the article? If you do, please add a "Market" section. Like for example The Hyundai Alcazar is primarily sold in India, but it’s also available in Mexico under the name Hyundai Creta Grand and in South Africa as Hyundai Grand Creta. Please keep it simplified if possible.
Thanks again for your contributions and help. I really appreciate it!
Hi 179, You're more than welcome to try creating the article again or like I say saving your work elsewhere offline/online first so you don't lose what you've created, Unfortunately I've still got things to do myself without creating articles for other people, I appreciate your understanding, With Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk21:19, 23 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 3 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion
Alt=A delicious pandolce
Merry Christmas, Davey! I got some pandolce (lit. sweetbread) for you! It's a typical Christmas Genoese dessert, that's why it's called a Genoa cake in English. I'm from Liguria, so I hope you like it! And if you don't, more cake for me lol. Have the best holidays! ✩ DreamIndigo ✩01:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Dream Indigo, Aww thanks so much for your lovely greeting, That looks really really nice, I want to try some now :D, Thank you so much and I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy and Healthy New Year :), Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk01:18, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 2 days ago2 comments2 people in discussion
Hello again i am taking a 2 day break for making car brands and car articles because its too hard for me and also i will keep editing car articles and the newest article i created is the M-Hero article which is a brand of Dongfeng anyways good luck with your contribuitions best regards and merry christmas and a happy new year!. 179.109.143.218 (talk) 20:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello 179, Okay no worries, I'm taking a break too as would rather spend time with my loved ones than creating articles here, Enjoy the festive period friend, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year my friend, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk22:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @5.180.207.80, No worries, I'm not quite sure how I managed to paste the wrong list though .... but anyway no worries, Thank you for providing a source for your edits it's much appreciated, Thanks and I hope you have a nice day too, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk12:38, 26 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 12 hours ago5 comments2 people in discussion
hello again i returned from my break and anyways i have a question what do you think about simple english wikipedia having more car and car brand articles? i think its great to see this wikipedia having more car and car brand articles what do you think about this? let me know!
I apologise if I come across rude I just dislike constant talkpage messages that's all it's nothing personal, Anyway thanks, good luck and happy editing 179, Take care, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk22:33, 26 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Fr33kman, Ah damn - you just asked as I finished :), Apologies for flooding RC, previous requests have either been declined or no admins have been so I just crack on with it now lol, Anyway It's 3am and I need sleep :), Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk03:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
OK, I'll turn it off. In the future email me with what time you want to start and I'll turn it on for you. Email pings my phone so I can do it from anywhere at any time. G'nite fr33kman03:05, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply
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Done - These aren't on one page so I have no idea why I thought my idea would work?, Anyway removed them, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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