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Question from a new editor

Hi there!

I've noticed that on the main page it's stated that this is a site for everyone, including children.

My question is, aren't children under 13 prohibited from creating an account under coppa law? (At least that's how it works on the wiki I come from). What do you mean for everyone?

Additionally, since Wikipedia isn't censored (it doesn't even look like there's a policy on graphic violence / graphical content) you can easily find both pornographic and extreme graphical content such as self harm hosted on Wikimedia Commons using the search tool from this site.

I'm a bit concerned, mainly confused.

Thanks, Wmyttmlimvty (talk) 09:36, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello. This is definitely a good place to ask such a question :). The main goal of simplewiki is to help people learn English - it is most often visited by students and people who want to learn the language. As far as I know, no local/WMF policy prohibits children under 13 from creating accounts. We even have a wiki specifically for kids. As for pornographic and other sensitive content: this is a problem that affects all wikis, editors' opinions are divided. On simplewiki we tend to avoid very sensitive content in places where the user wouldn't expect it. On the other hand, the photo of, for example, a penis in the article Penis is not sensitive, but purely educational. We don't have any pornographic photos here in places where users don't expect them. However, Wikipedia is not censored, and we cannot completely get rid of images that may be considered sensitive if they are used for education. Best regards, BZPN (talk) 10:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

@BZPN Please clarify what you mean by "we even have a wiki specifically for kids". 2601:644:907E:A70:6C22:C35:9395:7E3F (talk) 10:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I think they mean Wiki junior. Simplewiki has no content aimed specifically for children. fr33kman 10:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I meant m:Childrens' Wikipedia in the context of children under 13 creating accounts on Wikimedia. BZPN (talk) 11:41, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Depending on where you live being a child can mean anyone under 18-21. We aim to write pages that can be read by someone in US grades 7-9. This includes people who are 13. Remember also that our editors live in many countries not just the US. I'm not personally aware of any editor under age 13. Most of our article edits are made by anonymous users as well. Hope this helps fr33kman 10:20, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Where it says this is a site for everyone, it's talking about reading, not necessarily editing. An account isn't needed to read the content. Actually, it isn't needed to edit, either, but I think that statement is about reading.

As far as whether the content is appropriate for children, know that all Wikipedias, in any language, are not censored. That is Wikipedia policy. It is up to a child's parent or guardian to control, as they see fit, what a child looks at. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:11, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, we don't require someone to have an account to edit. That's where the Wikipedia statement "an encyclopedia that anyone can edit" comes from. We aren't censored, but my opinion is that people have wildly different opinions on what items should be censored.

Yes, a child could see an image, or read about something that might not be age appropriate, but, also on the other hand, it may be the only way to learn about certain things. Wikipedia is reader descression advised, the same as how the whole internet is. If there are specific images that are inappropriate for the topic being referred to in the subject, please let us know.

However, an article on a subject is likely to have an image related to that subject. We don't stop things being graphically shown. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

After doing a bit of research and discussing this with some folks I've learned that Wikipedia is a not for profit organization, for which coppa does not apply. I'm still concerned about some images from Commons but I figured that since they are not used on any article and therefore not being used with an encyclopedic purpose I'll b fine to flag them for deletion. Wmyttmlimvty (talk) 16:12, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

@Wmyttmlimvty: Commons is a separate site, but I can tell you that the fact that an image there is not being used on an article is not a reason to delete it. Images on Commons are used in more places than Wikipedia. It's just that the Wikimedia sites are the only ones where they can tell you they are used. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:18, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

Addison Rae

About Addison Rae, why is the article sorted by Rae, Addison? This kind of sorting is appropriate when it comes to articles like Swift, Taylor or Rodrigo, Olivia because those are their surnames. Similar to a conversation about the same thing (but a different singer), I think Addison Rae's categorization sort should be {{DEFAULTSORT:Addison Rae}}, as Rae isn't her surname. ⯎ Asteralee ⯎ 20:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

(Non-administrator observation) Rae is not a surname so it should not be sorted by Addison Rae not Rae Addison :)
So AFAIK... the categorization of Addison Rae should be changed. 𝓐𝓭𝓮𝓵𝓪𝓲𝓭𝓮 ^{(𝓽𝓪𝓵𝓴 ♡ 𝓬𝓸𝓷𝓽𝓻𝓲𝓫𝓼)} 20:08, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

If she is commonly known as "Adison Rae", then it should logically be sorted as Rae, Adison, because Rae is an indicative word, replacing a surname; most language versions have this type of sorting. BZPN (talk) 20:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I agree with Asteralee & Adelaide. NAMESORT indicates that, with some exceptions, the sort key should mirror the article's title as closely as possible. One exception listed is articles with a title of FirstName Surname. In those cases, Surname, FirstName sorting applies. As "Addison Rae" is not a FirstName Surname, I believe we should use the standard guidance of mirroring the article title. Griff (talk) 23:36, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

You are right - although this is an easy change. We generally sort by family name on categories (so, Chinese and other names where the first name is the family name, we don't change the sorting). Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:43, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done ⯎ Asteralee ⯎ 23:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

RFD withdrawn after a response?

Qylt has withdrawn Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2025/Justin Jin and I understand the reasons why they've done so. There was a response to delete in the RFD and I'm working on adding a comment there as well. What's the best way forward here? Reopen the existing or create a new one with probably some better reasoning. Thanks. Ravensfire (talk) 17:51, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

enWP always has the answer. Per WDAFD, withdrawn RFDs can be speedy kept by the nominator if no one has supported deletion of the article. As this is not the case, and there has not been enough discussion on that RFD to determine consensus, I believe that the RFD should be re-opened. BZPN has already taken that action, and I have added a clarifying comment on the RFD. Thanks for bringing this up, Griff (talk) 18:08, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

You can't withdraw an RfD if someone else has advocated for its deletion. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

I concur with the above - If there's delete !votes present then the RFD stays open (The only time I close as Withdrawn when there's delete !votes is when the keep !votes detail why it's notable etc and the delete !vote only says "fails GNG" or similar small comments), It comes under discretion but yeah in this case the RFD should remain open, Thanks, –Davey2010^Talk 19:15, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Appreciate the thoughts - inline with my belief on how to handle this type of situation. Ravensfire (talk) 19:19, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

I was suggested not to create any more drama and be constructive, so I withdrew. You can feel free to re-open. I don’t have any objection. Qylt (talk) 01:13, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

Universal Code of Conduct annual review: provide your comments on the UCoC and Enforcement Guidelines

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I am writing to you to let you know the annual review period for the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines is open now. You can make suggestions for changes through 3 February 2025. This is the first step of several to be taken for the annual review. Read more information and find a conversation to join on the UCoC page on Meta.

The Universal Code of Conduct Coordinating Committee (U4C) is a global group dedicated to providing an equitable and consistent implementation of the UCoC. This annual review was planned and implemented by the U4C. For more information and the responsibilities of the U4C, you may review the U4C Charter.

Please share this information with other members in your community wherever else might be appropriate.

-- In cooperation with the U4C, Keegan (WMF) (talk) 01:11, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

We must be careful with names...

Hello, Donald Trummp has been president of the United States for only a few days, and one of the things he did / does want to do, is to rename geographical features. We should be extremely cautious with following this naming:

• In the middle of Australia there is a large "mountain", when the English came there, they called it "Ayers Rock". I think today, that same geographical feature is called "Uluru". As far as I know, it is in a territory administered by Aborigines, which seems to be the people who lived there before the English came. If I remember correctly, the renaming was done, because the name "Ayers Rock" was seen as a part of colonialism/whatever atrocities were done to Aborigines by English colonialists. So yes, the name sends a signal.
• There's a mountain in Alaska, that was called "Mount McKinley" and that was renamed to "Denali". Now Trump wanted to change its official name back to "Mt McKinley"... what kind of signal does this send? - Also looking at the discussion page at Enwp, both names seem to have the same frequency approximately, and certain groups of people in Alaska seem to be against a name change.
• "Gulf of Mexico" -> "Gulf of USA" or similar -> likely the same applies, but here we are looking at a part of the Carribean, and established nautical names...

So before starting a rename spree, please make sure which of the names is likely the one people will use to search, which of them is most common. And before now renaming, because someone signed a decree, we might also wait some time, and see if the name actuall changes in the media, or with the common people. This is our Wikipedia, and we should not change it, because certain decision makers cannot stand what it looks like. Eptalon (talk) 21:48, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Categorizing

Hi, fellow editors. Sometimes it's hard to figure out what categories to put on a given page. I recently thought of a way to help with this, and did a write-up on it. If you're interested, please look at User:Auntof6/How to#Categorize for details. If you have questions or suggestions, or you can think of a way to make the write-up better, please let me know, either here or on my talk page. Happy categorizing! -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:13, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

List of Asian pornographic actors

Hello everyone,

I saw a few IPs and Mac addresses are adding multiple names on this page. How can we verify the names if they are really pornographic actors or someone is using a name for vandalism or defamation? Or should we just revert those redlinks? I am little bit confused to revert any edits here. Please express your op. Qylt (talk) 14:42, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

All changes had to be reverted, which I already did. The recently added information was unsourced and most likely false. BZPN (talk) 14:47, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I have nominated the list for deletion. This is far too broad a description to provide any encyclopedic value and is a BLP concern for me. Griff (talk) 14:48, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Help with One Piece

I was wondering if anyone was interested in helping with the One Piece article. They are missing almost all of the arcs. -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 18:47, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@TS Rubber alt main: Maybe @BRPever would be able to help as he knows about these topics :). Or you could ask someone from the Anime and manga project. Best regards, BZPN (talk) 19:11, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks @BZPN -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 19:13, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

By the way, how do you thank someone -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 19:23, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

@TS Rubber alt main: go to the page's edit history and press "thank" next to a specific change. You can read more about it here: mw:Extension:Thanks :). BZPN (talk) 19:26, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and done some cleanup on this article, cause the formatting was all over the place. For reference, we don't bold terms in the body of an article for no reason. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:55, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I can help, what would you like to work on? Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 08:39, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@User:TS_Rubber_alt_main, I cleaned up the articles, what do you want to improve next? Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 08:44, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Maybe like putting in some more of the East Blue arcs like Baratie and Buggy's island -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

I'll work on adding in more of the characters -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 14:32, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Done -TS Rubber Alt Main (talk) 17:36, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Replied on my talk page. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 09:39, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

How do I edit the short description of an article?

I didn’t see it anywhere on the source or visual editor. TTYDDoopliss (talk) 05:02, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

There is no short description template on simplewiki. Instead, you should edit the description of the Wikidata item connected to the page. BZPN (talk) 06:30, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

A category for articles without Wikidata item?

Should there be a hidden category for all articles without a linked Wikidata item, like en: Category:Articles without Wikidata item? Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 20:06, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm That's already at Special:UnconnectedPages. 166.107.163.31 (talk) 20:07, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

Feminism and Folklore 2025 starts soon

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Dear Wiki Community,

You are humbly invited to organize the Feminism and Folklore 2025 writing competition from February 1, 2025, to March 31, 2025 on your local Wikipedia. This year, Feminism and Folklore will focus on feminism, women's issues, and gender-focused topics for the project, with a Wiki Loves Folklore gender gap focus and a folk culture theme on Wikipedia.

You can help Wikipedia's coverage of folklore from your area by writing or improving articles about things like folk festivals, folk dances, folk music, women and queer folklore figures, folk game athletes, women in mythology, women warriors in folklore, witches and witch hunting, fairy tales, and more. Users can help create new articles, expand or translate from a generated list of suggested articles.

Organisers are requested to work on the following action items to sign up their communities for the project:

1. Create a page for the contest on the local wiki.
2. Set up a campaign on CampWiz tool.
3. Create the local list and mention the timeline and local and international prizes.
4. Request local admins for site notice.
5. Link the local page and the CampWiz link on the meta project page.

This year, the Wiki Loves Folklore Tech Team has introduced two new tools to enhance support for the campaign. These tools include the Article List Generator by Topic and CampWiz. The Article List Generator by Topic enables users to identify articles on the English Wikipedia that are not present in their native language Wikipedia. Users can customize their selection criteria, and the tool will present a table showcasing the missing articles along with suggested titles. Additionally, users have the option to download the list in both CSV and wikitable formats. Notably, the CampWiz tool will be employed for the project for the first time, empowering users to effectively host the project with a jury. Both tools are now available for use in the campaign. Click here to access these tools

Learn more about the contest and prizes on our project page. Feel free to contact us on our meta talk page or by email us if you need any assistance.

We look forward to your immense coordination.

Thank you and Best wishes,

Feminism and Folklore 2025 International Team

Stay connected  

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Folklore is back!

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Dear Wiki Community, You are humbly invited to participate in the Wiki Loves Folklore 2025 an international media contest organized on Wikimedia Commons to document folklore and intangible cultural heritage from different regions, including, folk creative activities and many more. It is held every year from the 1st till the 31st of March.

You can help in enriching the folklore documentation on Commons from your region by taking photos, audios, videos, and submitting them in this commons contest.

You can also organize a local contest in your country and support us in translating the project pages to help us spread the word in your native language.

Feel free to contact us on our project Talk page if you need any assistance.

Kind regards,

Wiki loves Folklore International Team --MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 02:36, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

Simple English Wikipedia Research Recruitment

Hi simple English editors,

I am a researcher at the University of Washington conducting a study about health-related information on the Simple English edition of Wikipedia.

We are very interested in your experiences with editing simple English articles and how we might improve the coverage of articles in the Simple English edition. Your help will make a great contribution to our research.

Our Wikimedia Meta project page provides additional information about our study. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Improve_the_coverage_and_quality_of_health-related_articles_in_the_Simple_English_edition

If you are 18 years old or older and would consider participating in our study, please complete our screening survey. https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfwYZHyGgjuhq2NnPPGbv8d_jl-CndWvBC12Zljgz8sBDdWfw/viewform?usp=sf_link

Also, if you have questions, you can contact us at the email we provided on the Meta project page.

Thank you! Loricai99 (talk) 00:09, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Requesting a move

I think Gaia should be moved to Gaia (disambiguation) and Gaia (mythology) should be moved to Gaia as it's the primary topic. 2601:644:907E:A70:598C:4AE6:1FDF:ECC8 (talk) 04:42, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

 Done by @BZPN Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 06:20, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

@BZPN: I did the move of Gaia (mythology) for you. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks @Auntof6 :). BZPN (talk) 11:58, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking for feedback

Hi there :] Figured I'd look for feedback before nomming myself for adminship. Given the fact that I just recently returned, I won't do it this instant, but I'd like to help with clearing the backlogs. Anything would be appreciated! Justarandomamerican (t • c) 08:00, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@Justarandomamerican Here are few things I noticed that will improve the chances:

• More work on the content. You barely have any page creations
• Lengthy period of continuous activity
• More participation in community discussions.

--BRP ^ever 08:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, definitely! I have a few decent-sized articles, I'd say decent quality too, but I could always use more content work. The other points are great too! Justarandomamerican (t • c) 08:48, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@BRPever: Do you perhaps mean continuous activity? -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@Auntof6: oops, yeah fixed.--BRP ^ever 12:12, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Personally, I feel like you just need more contributions and participation. Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 04:57, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Red links are helpful

Hi guys, if you do not know why red links are useful, it is because red links can use to make new pages and grow Wikipedia. In the 2008 study, they found out that the red links make Wikipedia grow. Thanks guys, thetree284 (talk) 17:55, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Okay!! Cactus🌵 ^{spiky ツ} 04:56, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@Thetree284: Thanks for this reminder. There is info about this at the link above, and even more at enwiki's WP:REDLINK guideline.

There are some places where red links are not good because they are specifically for directing people to other pages, more so than a red link in article text:

• In hat notes
• In a related pages section

Hope that helps! -- Auntof6 (talk) 10:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Proposal: Add link to the global rights log to the Special:UserRights interface

I believe the the topic name is self-explanatory. Such a change would help in (admittedly rare) cases where user rights seemingly vanish or magically appear because they weren't changed in our local wiki (for example: CheckUser and Oversighter promotions are done through meta's rights log).

Even if it see's rare use it would not change the interface of Special:UserRights at all except from an extra line. Basically: Help track some changes in rights and wouldn't change the interface noticably (unless you have a keen eye).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 12:15, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Is there any difference in the way those logs are presented? I am slightly worried about the confusions it might cause. BRP ^ever 12:39, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

I'm stupid, probably should've specified the "global rights log" I was talking about was the meta-wiki rights log, not the true global rights log. I probably got confused by mw.org calling it simply the "global rights log".

My fault, sorry!- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:50, 2 February 2025 (UTC)