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Question - QD bot

Hello everyone. I hope you are having a good weekend. Recently I came up with the idea of creating a bot that would help us insert QD templates into newly created articles. The operation would be simple: if the article is less than 100B (this is only an approximate value) and does not contain any links, references, templates, etc., QD G2 would be inserted into it. The idea here is to work with only obvious editing tests, where the editor inserted random letters/test sentence as a new page. For now, however, I haven't tried to write any bot, I just wanted to ask if the community would mind if it was possible. Thank you and best regards, BZPN (talk) 08:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This would be prone to too many false positives. Not everyone adds all of the content in one go. I would rather see this as a tag/log-only edit filter rather than a bot that tags for QD. No QD criteria fits this anyway. G2 is one of the most misused QD criteria in my opinion. It should be reserved for cases where it's a test. A 100kb unsourced page about Telemann's Wassermusik (its history, musical analysis, performances) is not a test page. A page that only contains:
  • John was here lol
  • Please make an article
  • So basically idk
  • etc...
are test pages and eligible for G2. QD criteria should not be applied loosely, but strictly. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 08:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We have edit filters for some of the cases Eptalon (talk) 11:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I suppose those are Special:AbuseFilter/11 and Special:AbuseFilter/107. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 13:54, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Fehufanga, for clarification: I meant 100B here, not 100kb (I made a typo and misled you, I'm sorry :)). BZPN (talk) 21:10, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Non-administrator observation) Maybe you meant 100 bytes? 100kb (100,000 bytes) is a very long article. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes, you're right, I meant 100 bytes... thanks for pointing that out! BZPN (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, there are so many things like documents and pictures that weight some kb, that it sounds more natural to say kb instead of just bytes. I didn't even notice at first, it sounded right. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 21:51, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
An edit filter could be put in place that stops very small new articles by new users, I don't really see why very small articles need automation to be removed. They aren't exactly harming anyone. We don't get so many of them that it's a lot of man-power, and they aren't indexed, so there isn't any reason to get to them very quickly. Even if all of the above wasn't true, we would still require administrators to delete the articles in question. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 21:40, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, writing an abuse filter is also a good idea. However, such test edits definitely harm us - Wikipedia is not intended to test edits in the main namespace. That's why we have WP:Sandbox. Test edits only waste editors' time inserting QD templates and administrators' time deleting them. BZPN (talk) 21:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Special:AbuseFilter/19 does exist, but it only tags the edit. From the logs the false positive rate appear to be small enough that elevating it to warn might be acceptable. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 21:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree BZPN (talk) 22:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template issue

Hi, Over at Manchester Victoria station, the text under Manchester Exchange is showing as:

Manchester Exchange
toward [[Template:S-line/National Rail Historical left/LNWR station|Template:S-line/National Rail Historical left/LNWR]]

I don't suppose anyone knows how to fix this?, I've updated the S line template and Template:S-line/side cell but nothing's worked, Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk 22:49, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Davey2010: This appears to be due to the presence of the previous parameter. I removed these parameters and the template should display correctly. However, if incorrect information is displayed, please revert my changes. Have a nice day! BZPN (talk) 08:47, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
P.S. It looks like it was probably because there was only one such parameter in one place, which could cause an error between templates without this parameter. BZPN (talk) 11:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @BZPN, Brilliant thank you so much, I have noticed though at en:Manchester_Victoria_station#Westbound_services it says Miles Platting and here it now says Terminus, I didn't know if I should just remove the template and add that name back manually ?, Thought I'd ask you first as you're amazing with this sort of stuff :), Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:22, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again for fixing that too it's greatly appreciated, I certainly would've messed that up so I'm thankful and greatful you replied and helped so thank you :), Have a great day, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 13:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2010, That's very nice of you :). I tried to fix the appearance to be the same as in enwiki, but the word toward kept appearing under the station name, and there was no way I could hide it. Therefore, I simply did it with a "rail line" template with appropriately set parameters. You can't tell the difference visually, but in wikicode it's a bit more complicated. I hope this isn't a problem :). Best regards, BZPN (talk) 13:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ah okay I didn't even notice the enwiki one was changed, Oh no of course I don't care about the wikicode tbh - As long as it matches enwiki externally then I'm happy :), Thanks again, –Davey2010Talk 14:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

I need help 2401:4900:3762:E1B5:581E:DE74:1DE6:BDA2 (talk) 21:24, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you need help with? Ternera (talk) 21:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's just a test, not real question. BZPN (talk) 21:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like someone is just testing the waters with us. Let's keep an eye out in case they have a genuine question or need assistance with something. In the meantime, shall we continue with our previous topics or explore another current event for the Simple English Wikipedia? 162.156.70.174 (talk) 02:36, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Internet

The article about the Internet is very incomplete. It talks about how people use the internet, but gives no explanation of how it works, technically. Internet is a level 3 vital article on English Wikipedia, so it's a high priority. I'm leaving this message in hope that someone can help, as I don't know enough about internet infrastructure to write it myself. Depextual (talk) 18:49, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think we can discuss what the article should be? People using a browser to surf on the web, to watch TV, to make phone calls are not necessarily aware that they are using 'the internet'. Do they have to? Does it help to add complexity telling that some services are connection oriented, others are connection less, that there is a quality of service for some...
Should we not also talk about the dangers of impersonation, of people getting blackmailed or exploited in one form or another? What do you expect he article to be? Eptalon (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I expected to see more about the technical infrastructure of how it works. Depextual (talk) 19:58, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, I agree there should be more on that. Just need to keep it as simple as possible. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 07:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
'Thread-starter' has removed "Hotspot (computers)" from 'Related pages'.--One is suggesting that user:Depextual should maybe focus more on using Talk-page, if s/he is not dead sure about relevance of stuff in the article. (If it was only a one-off honest mistake, then no big deal, in a Good-faith perspective ...). 2001:2020:345:9919:652F:B1E5:8E63:3ED4 (talk) 19:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't a mistake, I just thought it wasn't very useful as a link as there's already a link to Wi-Fi. It's okay to keep that as a link. But I will be removing the red links. Depextual (talk) 20:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removing from "Related pages", is fine. (Removing from the main body of the article - no, don't do that.)--If this post is regarded as polite, then fine. 2001:2020:345:9919:516E:786F:F685:925 (talk) 20:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's okay with me. Depextual (talk) 20:21, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Depextual - i suggest that you go to the relevant Talk Page, and make suggestions about new sections (that also English-wiki is using).

If you can start any one of the following sections, then that might be good place to start:
Infrastructure, Service tiers, Access, Mobile communication, Internet Protocol Suite, Internet protocol, IP Addresses, Subnetwork, Routing, IETF; Applications and services: World Wide Web, Communication, Data transfer.--Good luck (while i fix other articles, and wait and see what specifics you will bring to the table.)--If this post is regarded as quite polite, then fine. 2001:2020:319:AC4F:F053:6E48:DDFF:F61C (talk) 08:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following link, mentions some specific challenges/'problem'

simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Depextual&oldid=9926815
. 80.67.37.2 (talk) 17:36, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article does not have the word WiFi/Wifi or Hotspot.--Anyone can add that (while i try to figure out which Fun fact, i will choose to add to the article). 80.67.37.2 (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WiFi and Hotspot are now included. Depextual (talk) 20:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kendall Jenner is now a good article

Kendall Jenner is now a good article, thank you to everybody that has helped the article get to this point.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:03, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@FusionSub Congratulations! Kendall Jenner had Good article, thank you Raayaan9911 10:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article feedback

Hi, Could people kindly review User:Davey2010/sandbox2/VW Golf and let me know their thoughts please?, The individual articles (Volkswagen Golf Mk1) etc have already gone live but they can be changed too,

I'm not a great lover of the way the sources are throughout the sentences as you seem to lose readability ?, I don't know if I really need to list the years for every model, Maybe these are too detailed,

Anyway wanted to get peoples feedback before pasting this to the Golf article, Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 19:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your article looks great. I have no objections to it and support its replacement with the current article. Best regards, BZPN (talk) 20:09, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks so much for your feedback it's much appreciated, Happy editing, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 12:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Davey! The article looks great, but in my honest opinion, if you cite the same exact source, I'd only link it once per sentence. For example, when you say something like "from YYYY[11] to YYYY[11]", you only need one ref tag in my opinion (unless you are citing two different sources).
Btw is it OK if we make minor changes to your sandboxes? I would never change a sentence or something big like that, I just wanted to remove an extra comma in the second generation section. I don't like changing someone else's sandbox without asking first (unless I'm removing vandalism, but that's not the case, obviously). Happy editing! :) ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 14:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Dream Indigo, Thanks so much :),
The cite thing - For instance 1992-1998 - I'm only able to cite the 1992 year and not the 1998 year so doing it your way I thought would confuse people into thinking only the 1998 bit is mentioned and not the 1992 bit too - Does that make sense ?, Readers wouldn't know that both years are cited when on some years only one year is cited and not the other,
Of course you're more than welcome to edit it and change things I don't mind - the more help the better :), Thanks again for your feedback it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 14:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now I see, I understand. Yes, it makes a lot of sense. In that case, the article is perfect as it is :) And thanks for telling me, and no problem. Kind regards ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 15:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Aww thanks so much! :), You're welcome, Happy editing, Thanks, Warm Regards –Davey2010Talk 15:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New to simple English Wiki

Hi, I am Chasia, and I am new to the Simple English Wiki. I was an editor of the English Wikipedia but I got blocked :( It's a long story. After I got blocked I went on a five month pause on wiki. Now I'm getting active again, I was active in the Spanish Wikipedia quite a lot before I found the Simple English one. I have almost 600 edits in the Spanish Wikipedia, about 15-20 here, and English, about 500+. Wow that is enough on my part there, would anyone give me some tips on here? Glady appreciate it! - Chasia/Adelaideslement8723 :) Adelaideslement8723 (talk) 15:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Chasia! Welcome back to the wiki world! I'm sorry to hear about your experience with English Wikipedia, but I'm sure you'll find Simple English Wikipedia to be a great place to contribute. Here are a few tips to help you get started:
  1. **Use Simple Words and Sentences:** This wiki is designed for people learning English or those with different levels of reading comprehension. Keep your language as simple and straightforward as possible.
  2. **Follow the Manual of Style:** We have specific guidelines for writing articles. This helps keep everything consistent and easy to read. You can find it here: [Simple English Wikipedia's Manual of Style](https://simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Simple_English_Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style&oldid=857041533).
  3. **Ask for Help:** If you're unsure about anything, don't hesitate to ask. We have a friendly community here that's always ready to lend a hand.
  4. **Start with Easy Tasks:** Look for articles marked as 'stubs' or those needing expansion. This is a good way to get accustomed to the style and gain confidence before tackling larger projects.
  5. **Practice and Learn:** The more you edit, the better you'll get. Don't worry if your first few edits aren't perfect – we all learn as we go!
I hope these tips are helpful, and I look forward to seeing your contributions to the Simple English Wikipedia! 162.156.70.174 (talk) 02:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's generated by AI :). BZPN (talk) 08:25, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Adelaideslement8723: Welcome. You might be interested in this list I maintain of ways that this wiki is different from others.
If you plan to create articles here, please get familiar with how to write in simple language. Pages that can help with this include:
Since you were blocked on another wiki, you should know about the one-strike policy that we have here. It says, in part, "In most cases, a user who broke the rules on another project is not blocked [here] unless they also break the rules on the Simple English Wikipedia. They can be blocked if they break the rules here even once, and do not need the same amount of warning as a new user."
If you have any questions about any of this, feel free to ask. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The state of things

Does the following make sense? "or knife carried by Sikhs and also it’s part of the the 5 k’s Traditionally, it was a full-sized sword but modern Sikhs have reduced the length to that of a dagger due to modern considerations based on societal and legal changes since then."

simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AKirpan&diff=9929402&oldid=9929391

This seems to be the state of things on the wikipedia that Jimbo Wales started. 2001:2020:309:EA48:3001:305:125F:7A15 (talk) 00:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @2001:2020:309:EA48:3001:305:125F:7A15, No it didn't make much sense so I've improved it, Hope my edits are better?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 02:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Done (and beyond the call of duty)
. 2001:2020:309:EA48:8548:8C38:3F:D6BC (talk) 06:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bare minimum (in regard to Templates)

I have copied this template to En-wiki,
simple.wiki.x.io/wiki/Template:Gum_catalogue
.--Are there any "votes", that say that a Delete discussion would be a waste of time (because the template will meet a bare minimum of 'helpfulness' or even usefullness, once anyone connects a language link, interwiki).--If the effort is not considered by anyone to be, a 'barely acceptable minimum', then that is not optimal.--Come time, i might actually use this Gum catalogue, to fix the articles about those mentioned astronomic thingies. If that is 'not enough', then i will have moved on to a new area of knowledge. 2001:2020:311:CB18:F4EA:18AE:F42F:139B (talk) 19:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Just my personal opinion and one that may not be shared by others here but I would say by a bare minimum this is serving a purpose as none of the articles are actually called GUM so readers may not realise going to the category would lead to them, and having the navbox there may give people the "oompfh" to create the redlinked ones anyway, There's 8 articles created there so it's imho serving a purpose, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A talk-page thread needs 'curtaining-off' or 'revert thread'

Not even medium-priority, but ... .
This non-sense Talk-page. Please 'curtain-off' the thread, or 'revert thread, et cetera'.--Thank you, in advance (while i fix various articles). 2001:2020:359:C5B6:10C3:7669:B5B0:9ADF (talk) 19:53, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Done. Thank you for notyfing! Best regards, BZPN (talk) 19:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is this project now obsolete?

Would it be just as good to simply input the regular Wikipedia articles into ChatGPT and ask to have them written in Basic English? Wes Makazian (talk) 18:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the current requests for deletion, there are a few articles that are suspected to be generated by tools such as chatgpt. The last few I have seen weren't simple, and needed a lot of work. So, likely you still need humans to write a Wikipedia Eptalon (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I don't think LLM will do it correctly - there may be too difficult words, because AI doesn't know the BE wordlist. LLM may confuse references, destroy formatting and remove important information. Generally, it's better to do it manually. BZPN (talk) 18:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Wes Makazian if you tell chatGPT to simplify an article, it will often miss critical details because it does not understand what is important, make mistakes, and all the above things.
The idea behind this project should be that we make articles that go above and beyond what is present on complex english wikipedia. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 18:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not, As noted above it'll create more hassle than it's worth, and in the long run will require manual checks so no imho LLM has no place on this project or any other project. –Davey2010Talk 18:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In regard to your first edit here, one could say that you seem to be asking a loaded question.--My 'answer'-or-suggestion: I think we need a FAQ thingy - or maybe better, 'One-thousand-answers in a nutshell'.--If many users here, feel that i am not trying to be rude, then fine.--I am looking forward to your first edit (that does not discuss ChatGPT, or first edit that also does not make people suggest that you are using ChatGPT, for that question).--If many users here, feel that i am not accusing you of anything, then fine. 2001:2020:309:D648:ADC5:BB8C:6DAC:94C9 (talk) 19:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Let me perhaps rephrase my answer above: Large Language Models are tools, and with a few iterations you can likely create an article that meets some of the requirements of this (or any) Wikipedia. You have to keep in mind though that these tools also have drawbacks, and that in the end it is a human editor who is responsible for the text. At the time I write this, these tools need a lot of input/rephrasing so the time saved is not that big. Eptalon (talk) 20:25, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I made a userspace draft on Elon Musk's grandfather

Here is the draft User:Immanuelle/Joshua Norman Haldeman is it well written and ready for mainspace or does it need more work? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:08, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, the article is quite short, I would classify it as a stub. As for style: sentences should be short and understandable, e.g. the entire sentence He was arrested for protesting the Canadian government's entry into World War II, and then the technocrat movement was banned using the same laws used to ban fascist parties can be divide into several smaller ones and link key words. References should be placed after the punctuation mark, not before. It is also good to title all references or use the {{Cite}} template. Text formatting also needs to be refined. You can also read following pages:
I hope this helps :). BZPN (talk) 20:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Baby shower

We now have an article that is AI generated content Baby shower. What is our stance and can we also get a consensus on WP:AI and changing QD:A3 to include non-simple AI content? Thx fr33kman 13:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I was also thinking about QD, but it could be another G altogether. The stance should be simple. Why? Well, it's not just that the AI content is not simple. The point is also that AI-generated content do not ide specific information, but only too exaggerated and unreliable terms without specific context. There's actually no useful information there. I amMyeproposal is to create mplate that would mark articles generated using AI on the disctalke, but only if such an article has real and true value for the reader. BZPN (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we'll have to have a template for such articles. I'll update WP:AI to include that AI generated content must be both comprehensive and simple or can be deleted under G13. It's still a proposed guideline atm. fr33kman 14:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Something like this to put on the talk page (from User:BZPN/AI notice):
BZPN (talk) 14:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And category "Articles with AI-generated content". BZPN (talk) 14:07, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, looks good. fr33kman 14:42, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I don't really know what we gain by using AI to create articles, especially when a editor written article exists on enwiki. I think we should delete them on sight, rather than just tagging them. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not about that. Such an article must meet all standards and policies anyway - if the user really wants to publish a real article, he will refine it after AI (all AI-generated articles that do not meet the standards may be deleted in QD mode). Marking an article that was created using AI will allow us, for example, to recognize the real skills of users and the quality of the content. This will also allow us to collect statistics on how AI influences the creation of content on Wikipedia. BZPN (talk) 19:47, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate on recognizing the real skills of users? If they are able to refine an article correctly after AI then chances are we will not even be able to distinguish an AI article from a non-AI article, and then that really isn't an issue to us that is worth monitoring. If it looks AI-written still, then chances are it will still be eligible for deletion. --Ferien (talk) 22:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So what if an article contains elements created by AI, but is not entirely created by AI? Such an article will then not pass the RfD and will need to be corrected. It is not known who will correct it and when. Then you should leave the AI-notice template on the talk page. And if the user uses AI tools when writing an article, they can leave such a template on the discussion page, and then it will be known, for example, how often and who uses AI (statistics can be created). BZPN (talk) 22:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think cleanup templates/categories should be created on hypotheticals we do not have examples of. Articles are typically entirely created by AI, not created by AI, and if they are a mix, they are likely disruptive in other ways. If AI is just added in, it can simply be reverted. And how far down the rabbit hole do we go? Does me occasionally questioning ChatGPT for simpler synonyms to specific words in articles and using my judgement and BE 1500 count as partial generation by AI, when the end result is identical to me going and using a dictionary and comparing it to BE 1500? And if I don't disclose this, how will we know for certain that such articles are created by AI? I do not think AI-generated content is comparable to enwiki-translated articles, as it's harder to detect and also isn't necessarily copyrighted. --Ferien (talk) 22:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of Baby shower, I also feel the promotion in the article hasn't been noticed. Pages that were created only to say good things about a person, company, item, group or service and which would need to be written again so that they can be encyclopedic. This description fits this article. They put in a promo about Cositas Chulas and then AI-generated content around it to support their ad. This is what I mean when I say if AI content is being used, it likely has other issues. --Ferien (talk) 22:33, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what "the real skills of editors" means. By allowing articles created by using LLMs, we are going to be creating substandard articles.
This will also allow us to collect statistics on how AI influences the creation of content on Wikipedia. So, we should use LLMs to gain more information on how LLMs can create articles? That's a circular argument if I ever saw one. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
just for info: I replaced the article with s stub and kept it. No, not AI generated Eptalon (talk) 04:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks user:Eptalon.--I would appreciate it, if, say, an admin writes (here), something like, "I think this discussion, has ended for now. Please note: ' This version, was still not-so-good (in regard to AI)', before it was changed.--And this other earlier version, was bad (in regard to AI)".--My (main) point: When all of this is hopefully done, then i will likely link to those, say, two versions (from the relevant talk page)--Many users ('but also readers-only'), are not sure what part of an article sucks because of 'A.I. or LMM-or-LLM-whatever); With those two links, then a user can go back and check, and get an 'aha experience': Oh, so 'that (version) is what makes an article suck because' of A.I. or LMM-or-LLM-whatever.--Note: if anyone wants to complain because one feels that i have used a rude word here, then okay i guess; I have only tried to write simply and relatively quickly (without using all day, to find 'the smoothest words in the world').--If many people, sort-of-get-my-thread, then fine. 2001:2020:351:C573:550A:B330:4026:F053 (talk) 19:10, 10 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:351:C573:550A:B330:4026:F053 (talk) 19:13, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism? ("porn", "cowardice" added to at least one article)

At least one article (a bio), has both the word "porn" and "cowardice".--The English article has none (of those words).--Someone might want to take the problem to 'most relevant' talk page, or find other 'solutions'.--If my post was regarded as helpful, then fine.--Good luck (while i fix other articles). 2001:2020:319:AC4F:ADC5:CEB8:C39C:E608 (talk) 07:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Done. Looks like a user has done "Undo" or "Revert". 2001:2020:351:C2EF:204E:AD81:5960:E620 (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]



New problem, same article:
simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Yahya_Sinwar&diff=9932644&oldid=9932383
,'Not soldiers, but terrorists - according to new user, that is edit-warring'.

I have no plans for edit-warring. However, one of you should consider making an edit (to set things straight or 'whatever').--I am not the article's 'janitor', so i expect to largely have a hands-off approach.--(Bag-of-popcorn, has already been procured.)--For now, the relevant talk-page has not been leading to any results. 2001:2020:331:9B64:90D7:363C:21FD:F6C2 (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:319:AC4F:ADC5:CEB8:C39C:E608/ 2001:2020:331:9B64:28CF:BA55:332B:3AF0 (talk) 05:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The largest known manhunt in the U.S. this year?

This man.
Notable to have a bio on Simple-wiki? Is there enough SIGCOV about him?

He is being biographed in at least one (notable) newspaper in a Nordic country.--He is supposedly a valedictorian, from his high school. He has been arrested (this week) by police in regard to a murder case.--Please list (in this thread), significant coverage when it appears; Then i hope to start a stub.--The manhunt might have added to his 'significance or' wiki-notability.--No other wikipedia, has his article yet, according to my latest online search. 2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB (talk) 20:39, 10 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB[reply]

En-wiki redirects from his name, at time "20:22, 10 December 2024".--Just in case anyone was wondering about that. 2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB (talk) 20:44, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the suspects name, for now, from an article, UnitedHealth_Group, diff,
simple.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=UnitedHealth_Group&diff=9937289&oldid=9936580
. 2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Newspaper Aftenposten.no, does not mention his name, but quotes what the suspect shouted to the journalists, when he was escorted (into a building) by police officers. 2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB (talk) 21:12, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Britain's largest broadcaster:
"[... Name of suspect] charged with murdering healthcare CEO in New York", is article title at BBC.com, today. Link,

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly2zwqqr1ro
. 2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB (talk) 21:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dagbladet.no, newspaper, title: "' Name of suspect: Friends are [in disbelief or] shocked'". Link,
borsen.dagbladet.no/nyheter/drapssiktet-venner-i-sjokk/82363170
. 2001:2020:351:C573:8CD8:222F:E048:3788 (talk) 21:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're writing too much here ;). You really don't have to quote newspapers or describe your edits. You can always create an article, but I believe that Luigi Mangione is only temporarily popular in the daily news, and is not notable enough to write an article about him. This man's popularity will most likely decline in a few days, maybe weeks. I suggest writing about it on Wikinews for now. BZPN (talk) 21:57, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is there (enough) SIGCOV about him, that might make it appear quite reasonable, to write (and keep) a stub or article about the suspect?--That was the first (?) question, more or less.

In regard to wikinews: if you or anyone spends (their own) free time with that, then i will not hold that against 'ye'. (To be clear - i am not requesting information about Wikinews. If you have information to share about Wikinews, then please consider mentioning it on your user page, if that okay by Simple-wiki's rules.) 2001:2020:351:C573:D2:5AFB:15EA:B6F (talk) 23:08, 10 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB[reply]

Research 'about the suspect', is already underway, at Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI) at Rutgers University.--Link, to a foreign broadcaster's article,
nrk.no/urix/amerikanere-hyller-mannen-som-er-siktet-for-drapet-pa-toppsjefen-brian-thompson-i-unitedhealthcare-1.17161246
.
I have now walked wikipedia-users thru some of the SIGCOV.--Now, anyone has a job to do, to show wiki-notability in an article about the suspect. 2001:2020:351:C573:8DBD:1906:B2BB:EDE5 (talk) 05:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: wiki-notability: "The creepy idolisation of Luigi Mangione", is a title by The Spectator (a media outlet).--The case about "Mangione's" wiki-notability is maybe not slam-dunk, yet. (A wiki-article would have to show that.) 2001:2020:351:C573:8DBD:1906:B2BB:EDE5 (talk) 05:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:351:C573:E4A6:4F9F:13CE:A3AB[reply]

Seems worse than category "QD ruled out?"

We have an article about 'a body part' collector. So, I checked en-wiki about the name of person being 'slandered et cetera', and s/he is mentioned 'with relatively few bells and whistles' at

en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Irwin_County_Detention_Center

.--The user that created the article about 'the collector', has created 2-3 articles here, and i did read a bad 'review' about 'all the user's articles', at RfD/AfD on Simle-wiki.--Good luck (while i fix other articles). 2001:2020:309:EA48:DC06:E4AD:769A:AE4A (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:309:EA48:DC06:E4AD:769A:AE4A (talk) 23:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Update: The user that created the article about 'the collector', has created dozens of articles and/or redirects. There might not be a problem in that.--If this post is perceived as neutrally worded, then fine. 2001:2020:309:EA48:B4F4:7D88:B452:3824 (talk) 23:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:309:EA48:DC06:E4AD:769A:AE4A[reply]
If I use the term 'uterus collector' (which is also used in the article), I get pagers of a Georgetown Law Journal (here), the Guardian (here) or BBC (here). Those are like the first 3-4 links. So the title is probably accurate, Wikipedia isn't censored... Eptalon (talk) 01:04, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allowing users to remove flood flag from their own account

Hello everyone! I was wondering why users with the flood flag can’t remove it themselves once they finish their task, especially if they complete it earlier than expected (e.g. on plwiki it's possible). Waiting for the flag to expire can prevent users from engaging in other activities. It seems like a small change that could make things more efficient, reducing the need to bother admins to turn it off manually. Allowing users to remove the flag themselves would resolve this issue. What do you think? BZPN (talk) 21:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BZPN: That could be good. I think it would be a software change that we can't address here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I guess we will have to report it to Meta, but I don't know anything about it. BZPN (talk) 22:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To implement such an adjustment in the software, a ticket needs to be submitted in Phabricator. If a consensus to make the change is reached, the developers will review it. --Esteban16 (talk) 20:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question

How do i make a Wikipedia project page with the add topic?

Miguel Inigo Mercadal3 (talk) 11:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We don't really do WikiProjects here. There's no specific issue with having a page in your userspace though. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 23:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a guideline regarding how many related pages are appropriate to be included in an article? Long lists of links, which I personally don't think are relevant enough, are being added to these articles, such as Autobiography, Catholic Church, and Zionism. Depextual (talk) 00:01, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

From w:MOS:SEEALSO:
Contents: Links in this section should be relevant and limited to a reasonable number. Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. One purpose of "See also" links is to enable readers to explore tangentially related topics; however, articles linked should be related to the topic of the article or be in the same defining category. For example, the article on Jesus might include a link to List of people claimed to be Jesus because it is related to the subject but not otherwise linked in the article. The article on Tacos might include Fajita as another example of Mexican cuisine.
So, there's no set number, but I usually use a rule of three being my max. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 00:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"related pages" is a section that somehow tells about the sohrtcomings of a page: There is a page on a subject, and there are links to other pages (red or blue links in the sections of the article), but still there was now way to include the pages listed. Having too many of them likely also tells me that the page may lack focus. Eptalon (talk) 00:53, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just removed most of them as they were unrelated and pov-pushing as well. Why was Adolf Hitler a related page under autobiography? Yeah, he wrote an autobiography, but every famous person wrote an autobiography. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 13:11, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you; that's what I thought too. Depextual (talk) 14:31, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Elckerlijc spelling mistake

The page Elckerljic has a spelling mistake in the title. I am not allowed to move pages, so could someone move it to Elckerlijc for me? Special:MovePage/Elckerljic Tom9358 (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article has been moved. Thank you for the notice. Griff (talk) 21:14, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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